Massey 590 drivetrain 4wd question?

[sawdust]

I have no way of telling whether you speak the truth or not. You certainly show a dangerously cavalier attitude towards safety and in this case the safety and welfare of any ignorant poor sod that drives that particular tractor.
Shame on you!

Unlike you I only speak of what I know about,

And point out where in any of my posts in this thread have I said anything to promote unsafe practises.

 

[Cowabunga]

Unlike you I only speak of what I know about,

And point out where in any of my posts in this thread have I said anything to promote unsafe practises.

Still avoiding the question I see.

 

[sawdust]

So you can't

I don't need training, I'm a "Skilled Operator"

Your the 1 telling the O/P to get tuition

I have no way of telling whether you speak the truth or not. You certainly show a dangerously cavalier attitude towards safety and in this case the safety and welfare of any ignorant poor sod that drives that particular tractor.
Shame on you!

Unlike you I only speak of what I know about,

And point out where in any of my posts in this thread have I said anything to promote unsafe practises.

Still avoiding the question I see.

Please point me to the question I'm avoiding,
Unlike you, were I asked you to point out to the O/P where he could receive competent agricultural tractor driving tuition, as I have genuinely never seen that kind of tuition advertised anywhere,

but hey you could not, so have tried to save face by saying I'm avoiding this mythical question you asked me, or am I missing some of your post

 

[HDAV]

Health and Safety (also known as common sense)



But the original poster seems to have little value on other peoples time.
How many threads is this, on the same subject?

Whoa now hold on there, I have plenty value of others peoples time and experience that's why I am here trying to educate myself.

If you think I'm wasting your time don't reply, I have had many offers of
Help and received great assistance from a number of members here, which if I can repay the community with any of my expertise I will do so gladly.

Sourcing a suitable tractor obviously isn't as easy as I had hoped hence why we have ended up an old knacker of a Massey bought from a dealer in good faith and having had it inspected by a professional tractor mechanic.

If you can tell so much about a machine from a couple of pictures please tell me What we should buy.


The application is none standard, but not unique in fact there are places all over the country using old tractors for this and far more risky operations.

Thankyou to all helpful comments I have received I will be raising these ASAP

 

[Cowabunga]

Whoa now hold on there, I have plenty value of others peoples time and experience that's why I am here trying to educate myself.

If you think I'm wasting your time don't reply, I have had many offers of
Help and received great assistance from a number of members here, which if I can repay the community with any of my expertise I will do so gladly.

Sourcing a suitable tractor obviously isn't as easy as I had hoped hence why we have ended up an old knacker of a Massey bought from a dealer in good faith and having had it inspected by a professional tractor mechanic.

If you can tell so much about a machine from a couple of pictures please tell me What we should buy.


The application is none standard, but not unique in fact there are places all over the country using old tractors for this and far more risky operations.

Thankyou to all helpful comments I have received I will be raising these ASAP

They may be less knackered than yours though.
In fact at Aberystwyth, which has a small marina, they buy a brand new tractor every three years and have it specially treated with some kind of protective matte black paint to the chassis. I know most cannot justify such an expense but they do take their obligations very seriously.

As for the professional mechanic that looked that heap over and gave it a bill of health for your specific use, I truly despair. One look at the Multi-Power should have ruled it completely unsuitable. Did he actually tell you that the MP was knackered and that it would run away on the slightest slope? Did he explain that the 4wd was not working? Did either the dealer or the mechanic explain the implications of running a tractor with a rotten ROPS?

I'm assuming that it is rotten, going only from the general photos you posted and my knowledge of the general condition of these models. Was an assessment made about this aspect. If it is as rotten as I suspect with flaking rust that poke through to big holes in the fabricated box sections, were either the dealer or the mechanic aware that it is illegal to retail a tractor in that condition?

 

[MF-ANDY]

Was the tractor supplied with an instruction book which afaik is required and might've avoided some of these questions?

 

[sawdust]

My apologies to @Cowabunga I never knew you were editing wizard
Apart from the first of your post that I just quoted a couple of words, I replied to all your complete posts
and now, after looking back through both our post to find this elusive question, that I avoided, I now find complete paragraphs and sentences have now been added to your previous posts.

And as to the genuine question cleverly edited in 10 minutes or so ago, "I don't"

 

[Cowabunga]

My apologies to @Cowabunga I never knew you were editing wizard
Apart from the first of your post that I just quoted a couple of words, I replied to all your complete posts
and now, after looking back through both our post to find this elusive question, that I avoided, I now find complete paragraphs and sentences have now been added to your previous posts.

And as to the genuine question cleverly edited in 10 minutes or so ago, "I don't"

I apologise. I had 90% composed an answer before taking the cows out to graze, in another tab and assumed I had posted it and forgot all about it until shutting a few tabs down just now. So I copied into the relevant part of the topic. I think there are three paragraphs or so, the last of which needed the last sentence completing before posting. I thought I had long posted it. These things happen.

 

[Cowabunga]

Was the tractor supplied with an instruction book which afaik is required and might've avoided some of these questions?

Yes, that is a legal requirement also. It gives a basic instruction but doesn't really explain the critical importance of the MP system and the real dangers from a lack of engine braking [even when it works properly], especially to the casual or occasional user, lacking experience.
Is it comprehensively insured for all risks including public liability? Is the insurer aware of its operational faults and general condition?
Should an accident occur, is the driver likely to claim "I should have been told and such a heap was not safe to use and they knew or should have known it"? "It wan't my fault Officer, it was someone else's and that's him over there" [as he points in someone's direction]

 

[multi power]

Since when had it been a legal requirement to supply an instruction book ? I have never had a book supplied with any tractor

 

[sawdust]

Since when had it been a legal requirement to supply an instruction book ? I have never had a book supplied with any tractor

 

[Cowabunga]

Since when had it been a legal requirement to supply an instruction book ? I have never had a book supplied with any tractor

About 20 years.
Its a difficult one because unless the previous owner has one at hand, many may now be out of print. Not sure whether there's a sensible answer to that one. MF 390 manuals were easily sourced from MF not long ago, but I'm not at all sure about 100, 500 and 600 series books. They may be and if they are available, you really should have had one. If you had wanted one, the dealer would certainly have had to oblige, but you might have to pay for it obviously.

 

[Mursal]

Since when had it been a legal requirement to supply an instruction book ? I have never had a book supplied with any tractor

No me neither ...............
But you have to remember it not for farm use, the operators may not be all farming folk?

 

[multi power]

About 20 years.
Its a difficult one because unless the previous owner has one at hand, many may now be out of print. Not sure whether there's a sensible answer to that one. MF 390 manuals were easily sourced from MF not long ago, but I'm not at all sure about 100, 500 and 600 series books. They may be and if they are available, you really should have had one. If you had wanted one, the dealer would certainly have had to oblige, but you might have to pay for it obviously.

Interesting, I asked for a manual when I bought the 8340, the ordered one for me, but strangely never charged for it
As for manuals being out of print I take it you are joking ! I have a manual for every tractor I own, never had any trouble finding them
As an example it took me no more than 5 minutes on eBay to source a book for my latest tractor purchase

 

[Cowabunga]

Interesting, I asked for a manual when I bought the 8340, the ordered one for me, but strangely never charged for it
As for manuals being out of print I take it you are joking ! I have a manual for every tractor I own, never had any trouble finding them
As an example it took me no more than 5 minutes on eBay to source a book for my latest tractor purchase

Would that be a new manual or an used one? I suspect used.
No, you shouldn't really be charged for the manual as it is as much a part of the tractor as the drawbar and hook and top link and linkage balls. But in practice it does depend on where you bought it from.
You wisely chose to buy your own driver's manual. I wonder if the OP and his committee had the same initiative?

 

[multi power]

Would that be a new manual or an used one? I suspect used.
No, you shouldn't really be charged for the manual as it is as much a part of the tractor as the drawbar and hook and top link and linkage balls. But in practice it does depend on where you bought it from.
You wisely chose to buy your own driver's manual. I wonder if the OP and his committee had the same initiative?

The OP is already in the process of getting a manual
The manual I'm currently getting for the 265 is a re print I believe
Only the 35 and 398 were used manuals, 65 and 1200 were both new, including workshop manuals too
Workshop manuals are a particularly good investment

 

[Cowabunga]

The OP is already in the process of getting a manual
The manual I'm currently getting for the 265 is a re print I believe
Only the 35 and 398 were used manuals, 65 and 1200 were both new, including workshop manuals too
Workshop manuals are a particularly good investment

Unless he's willing to spend into that money-pit to make it good, I wouldn't bother for the 590.

Workshop manuals are excellent, but they are not for everyone. Ive still got the full tractor and separate Pantherised Engine manuals for my Tiger6 105 from the early 1980's.
Also got several volumes of manual for my Land Cruiser 100 series. Makes good bedtime reading, although I admit not to have looked at them in years, and not needed them either. At least I know generally how stuff works.

 

[Mursal]

You lads must be a joy to live with ...............

 

[Cowabunga]

You lads must be a joy to live with ...............

My aim has always been, since my early 20's, to learn at least five significant new things daily. I've missed my target today though. Big style. My excuse is that I have a streaming cold which seems to be turning into a chest infection.
Oh well, I'll have another 15mls of marshmallow root extract, whatever that is, to see if I can sleep better tonight.

 

[bill and bens dad]

i think its name and shame the dealer time !!anyone else agree??