Mastitis and High Cell count bolus

[lazy farmer]

Agreed we will leave it there and let farmers decide.

Your results above have no comparisons so aren’t worth anything.

Also your comments about widespread resistance of antibiotics and mastitis are far from the truth which makes me think your understanding is very limited at best.

Good luck with your enterprise.

Really ? Plenty of peer reviewed evidence that mastitis cure rates aren’t much higher than 50% on new infections and much lower on repeat offenders. I would suggest that demonstrates resistance.

 

[Farmer Fin]

Really ? Plenty of peer reviewed evidence that mastitis cure rates aren’t much higher than 50% on new infections and much lower on repeat offenders. I would suggest that demonstrates resistance.

I’m afraid it doesn’t. Cure rates for lactating treatments are about that. Dry cow much higher, some work shows even into the 90s and in fact reinfection is a major issue.

The reason for these poor rates are numerous factors mainly related to the cow, pathology associated with mastitis and the ability of certain bacteria to evade the cows immune system.

What we are not seeing yet is mastitis pathogens which are resistant to the main 1st line antibiotics. That’s not to say it won’t happen.

I have never once said we should be using antibiotics. What I am dismissing is using these boluses for treating high cell count cows. Most of these will either self cure or will be cured during the dry period. Not by a bolus.

The only people treating cows off a cell count list are people playing brinkmanship with cell count bands / penalties. It’s just not cost effective never mind irresponsible use of antibiotics. Stopping the new infection in the first place is the key. Which is what I’m advocating. Unfortunately some farmers get far to hung up on what is the “best” tube.

 

[jimmer]

I've pretty much given up on treating cases of mastitis, I let them self cure

 

[Stuart1]

Personally I believe high SCC cows have it bred in them. I think it’s something she will never be fully rid of, they tend to be higher up my cull list as I’ve never been able to completely cure a high SCC cow. They always end up back to a higher cell count or with mastitis. I’ve tried over 30 Bolous from 3 different company but to no avail at all. Also I’m a strong believer that genetics play a massive part in mastitis resistance. 3 cases of mastitis and il cull any cow. When they take it the once you can be sure she’ll take it again. I don’t need problem cows so I tend to cull them.

 

[letsmakemilk]

Lads, you offer great sentiment but sadly if what you suggest actually happened then we would not be in the situation we are with antimicrobial resistance. Good management , preventing the problem obviously has not been happening or there would not be widespread resistance and a need for alternative therapies.

I am used to working with sceptics and then wanting/needing to prove what I say and that it what I have done with this product over the last 4 months. I too didn't fully believe what I was being told..

So I will share with you the last 5 results, these have come in over the last 10 days:

Farm 1) 5 cows total SCC Pre Treatment @ 16,452,100
Post treatment total @ 2,685,000

Farm 2) 5 cows total SCC Pre Treatment @ 9,918,100
Post treatment total @ 821,000

Farm 3) 4 cows total SCC Pre Treatment @ 8,772,000
Post treatment total @ 1,242,000

Farm 4) 5 cows total SCC Pre Treatment @ 11,413,000
Post treatment total @ 8,560,000

Farm 5) 5 cows total SCC Pre Treatment @ 15,995,000
Post treatment total @ 2,583,000

All because they listened and trusted an idiot....

Believe it our not, some people that advise/support there customers do it because they want to help and of course we don't do it for free.

It is wrong to tag all that of us that make a living as idiots with nothing to back it up with - There are some very lazy sales people and that is what they are, sales people and some of us put real effort in to prove and support what we do.

I'll leave it here, information and views shared - Try them or don't try them - Very simple.

This shows that, on average, every cow treated is probably still infected as average SCC is still over 200,000. I've tested infected cows daily and found them go from 999,999 to 200,000 back to 999,999 multiple times over 10 days. What you have given here has no comparison and has proven nothing.

The comment someone made about mastitis not curing because of antibiotic resistance is probably not the case - when the vets send my samples from cure failure cows off they very rarely have bacteria that are resistant to all, if any, of the antibiotics in the tiubes. This is more to do with the type of bacteria, bacteria hiding within udder tissue or other cells, lack of penetration of the tube through the udder and so on. @lazy farmer If you're worried that resistance might be the true cause of treatment failure, get your vets to send some samples off.. I found that how i was treating was the issue, not the drugs i was using.

@the hoof man Your comment about resistance being widespread in livestock is untrue and I suggest you get a better understanding of this subject if you are going to comment on it whilst trying to peddle your goods. We have enough poorly informed pressure with regards antibiotic use from the outside-in, we don't need poorly informed pressure coming from the inside fueling the fire also. Bristol Uni did a study on a load of farms in our area and have come out with some really useful information and findings about this subject - give them a call.

 

[lazy farmer]

more than happy to be wrong on the subject. On a connected note our vet practices drive to reduce drug use now has us farmers using a lot less than the national targets. It’s all about prevention ?

 

[Durry cows]

Digging this back up having a few cell count issues especially towards drying off, worth giving garlic boluses a try?

 

[awkward]

Hearing a good few reports about mycillin bolus with good results, I haven't tried it.we get a boost from high zinc minerals that reduces mastitis here