Cowabunga
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MB pickup
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Clever Dic
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Decided I really fancied aV6 Amarok and was gutted to see them finishing so got in quickly with Vanarama who have some in stock and well specced. Should get delivery next week.?
Cowabunga
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Passed the LR dealer today again [more cheques to deposit in the bank.... whoopee!] and there were about half a dozen new Defenders facing the road. One looked suspiciously similar to the one they took upon themselves to order for me. A golden brown metallic First Edition. They were not phased at all when I cancelled it before actually finalising my order, because they were not anticipating the current situation [as I was at least suspecting] and because they were rationed for the first year to a limited number and only able to factory order for customer sold orders.
This doesn’t bode well at all. Within the first few weeks of the arrival of one of the most anticipated new cars of the century and they’re hanging around dealers forecourts without a home.
Have Land Rover got it wrong or is it just very unfortunate timing?
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Unfortunate timing, the target market will mostly be people in well paid non essential jobs.
Agreed. The problem for me is It doesn’t look like a defender. When the BMW Mini was introduced in the early 2000’s- it still looked like a mini. Rolls Royce did the same with the Phantom 7 in 2003. Even Land Rover did it superbly with the L322 Range Rover in 2002 and again in 2004 with the Disco 3. All of these, although a completely clean sheet brand new design, kept hold of their identity. The Defender could have any Badge on the front and it would pass as whatever that badge says- it’s just a bland design with no identity and no heritage. Which is odd seeing as their starting block was the vehicle with the strongest identity and heritage of them all.
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- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
A lot riding on Ineos now then
Cowabunga
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There's no real waiting list, that's for sure. All LR dealerships will have filled their quota of orders for the year in anticipation of having more retail orders than there are vehicles available to them. I'm afraid they will be disappointed. The vehicle is old news now, even before retail sales have started in earnest.
The reason that they have all these vehicles currently is that they have only just arrived and the dealers have been shut until this week. All due to the shutdown internationally and locally.
I do think that they may have a job selling many of their vehicles this year. Used vehicles, on the other hand, especially in the around-£10k sector, may well be quite strong. Which will not help JLR or their dealers much. I know that two local used car dealers are selling cars around that price quite consistently. One of them sent four sold vehicles for MOT this morning alone and the other one isn't far behind, from talking to the independent MOT workshop owner this afternoon.
Cowabunga
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The Ineos Grenadier is chasing the more traditional LR Defender commercial utility market. Don't make the mistake in thinking that it will be cheaper than the JLR product though, because it probably will not be. They buy in most of the components, like the latest BMW straight 6 diesel, the same ZF 8 speed auto as JLR use, axles made by Cararro and chassis from Portugal. Coil springs with probably optional air assist. All the latest emissions and safety gubbins. It all costs. Just look at the price of the relatively cheaply built and sparsely equipped, 2 star safety rated shitbox Jeep Wrangler price. It is up there with Defender.
Oh, and we should get pictures of the Grenadier in its working clothes some time next week or the week after at the latest.
bravheart
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- scottish borders
And that lot have a massive makeover shop to pay for.
I managed to get an upgrade and it should be here soon.... Current BMW is a little low for farm tracks!
Clever Dic
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Mine also...?
Cowabunga
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- Ceredigion,Wales
Back in 1987 I had a petrol Range Rover and we had a trip to Scotland planned, so thought we'd save a bit of petrol by taking the Montego 2ltr. Great, until driving down a farm lane in the wilds of Dumfies where the centre of the track was grassy. BANG! Rock hidden in the grass dented the sump up to touch the crankshaft. Luckily we were on top of a hill and could mostly coast down to the village garage. The sump was holed, but they removed it and hammered it out a bit and put some filler in to tide us over. By the time we'd paid that bill and got a new sump fitted at home, the petrol saving had paled into insignificance. From then on I had no qualms about driving the Range Rover, until I changed it for a 2.4 diesel version the next year. That was an acquired taste, being a rattly 112hp with zero torque under 2200 revs. But I liked it and kept this one for seven years and 100,000 miles.
Often wonder why most of the reps that come here have skodas or vw probably the lowest saloon cars on the road to visit farms.....and yes we do have a mile long crap farm track, yet some have double,cabs and seem to get on with them far better.
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- East yorks
They are normally pretty good value on the lease car sheets as they have good resale after so u get a reasonable spec without having to add some of your own money
Cowabunga
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Low cars, or cars with low sumps are a terrible choice for farmers or those involved with the countryside. My father, when I was in college, part exchanged a perfectly good Series3 Land Rover for an used Mini pickup. He must have had a mega brainfart. It couldn't drive over anything pub a large chipping without hitting the bottom. What a shambles! That was kept for about three years before getting a Subaru pickup, which was very capable but drank like a fish. Not particularly reliable either, but better in that regard than the SIII and Mini, which was no great achievement.