Mchale Fusion 3 bale transfer problem

Elpresidente

Member
Location
West Wales
I'm just putting this on here for a friend who runs a Fusion 3. He used it for the first time this season yesterday and was having issues with transferring a bale to the wrapper. After using the baler again today he reckons it's caused by the oil being cold in the tractor until he's baled a dozen bales. He uses a Case Puma 130! On power beyond I think the tractor is more likely to be at fault. Anyway if anyone has had any similar problems and can shed any light on this I'd appreciate it.
 

Wellytrack

Member
A little bit vague on what exactly the issue was whilst during transfer however I’d doubt it down to cold oil as oil is unlikely to be cold in all actuality plus, problems with hydraulics tend to manifest more easily when it is warm and thin.

I’d hazard the baler chamber may have been alittle rusty for the first 20 or so bales.
 

Mur Huwcun

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North West Wales
I'd agree about the rusty chamber not helping things as my mate doesnt clean and oil stuff down at the end of the season.

Cold oil or correctly wrong viscosity oil will do funny things to a Fusion. Bale transfer is one of them!!! Tractors with separate hydraulic tanks will be worst as the oil doesn’t warm up intill it’s used, ok on other tractors as the oil will warm up on the run on the road to the first fields in morning. Sometimes you have to do the first few transfers on manual!! First thing he should do is check that he’s using the correct grade oil.
 

Wellytrack

Member
I'd agree about the rusty chamber not helping things as my mate doesnt clean and oil stuff down at the end of the season.

I never wash the baler tbh, pull out the debris, wire brush, run the cycle for 20 bales - gives a coat of oil on the chains and a good fart of grease through the bearings.
 

kill

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South West
I'd agree about the rusty chamber not helping things as my mate doesnt clean and oil stuff down at the end of the season.
Is he baling the bales at high enough pressure as Fusion 3's need a solid bale as there was an extra roller on fusion 2's that aided transfer flow but on a fusion 3 it's replaced with a piece of tube that's alot smaller diameter and can stop a bale moving quickly enough and there for it can get caught and destroyed by the door closing on it.
If it's the speed the bank of lower rollers lifting is to slow then this can be adjusted on balers spool valve block to give a more positive transfer so transfer happens quickly and more positive
 

James

Member
Location
Comber, Down
Is he baling the bales at high enough pressure as Fusion 3's need a solid bale as there was an extra roller on fusion 2's that aided transfer flow but on a fusion 3 it's replaced with a piece of tube that's alot smaller diameter and can stop a bale moving quickly enough and there for it can get caught and destroyed by the door closing on it.
If it's the speed the bank of lower rollers lifting is to slow then this can be adjusted on balers spool valve block to give a more positive transfer so transfer happens quickly and more positive

My current 3 has a roller for transfer but previous early 3 had that bar which was a pia
 

Fendt516profi

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Yorkshire
I have a problem with the fusion sometimes McHale say it's a problem with the tractor not been able to kick the pump in quick enough on load sensing when the baler demands oil. I turn the oil flow down on a unused spool and leave it in constant pump which seems to help not ideal but gets it running properly
 

puntabrava

Member
Location
Wiltshire
Apparently there is a setting in the computer for “short, long, or manual bale transfer and keep the revs wide open during bale transfer.
My source says the tractor may not have enough hydraulic pump to work the Baler properly.
 

Midland

New Member
Did You find solution to this as I am having similar problems on fusion3+ on t7.250
Oil being cold does make problem worse but even when warm not working as fast as it should. The wrapper does 31rpm for first 4 revolutions then drops back to 24 rpm for remainder of cycle. Only doing it on this tractor.
 

Elpresidente

Member
Location
West Wales
No solution has been found yet. Baler expert at local dealer suggested holding steering wheel of the Puma 130 on full lock during bale transfer which is a similar idea to what someone suggested on here where they said put a spool at a low flow in constant pumping. I have my suspicion that there is a problem with the tractor as I used to have a Puma 130 on a Claas Rollant 454 which was on power beyond and that had so many issues in the end I got rid of the baler and went back to a more basic Claas Rollant 374
 

Midland

New Member
If it’s just the transfer that seems very slow you could increase flow rate on valve chest with grub screw. If you want to rule out tractor pump problem screw in Allen key grub screw on valve chest fully to turn it back to open center and plug 3/4 flow pipe into spool valve. See if there’s any improvement. If there is
your problem could be a load sensing problem. There comes a non return valve in spares kit to put on 3/8 baler sensing line I tried it and it made no difference on my tractor.
 

Midland

New Member
Found solution to this problem with load sensing it’s apparently a common problem running fusions on pumas and t6 and t7s
Ran another sensing line direct from compensation valve on pump to bypass the remote valve slices which leak off sensing flow. Fusion works fine now.
 

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