Could you ask your mate what the 960 is like in second cut grass please
McHale or Kuhn Fixed or Variable?
- Thread starter DrDunc
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He's never used it in second cut but another operator has and it was fine from memory it certainly did the job . They don't really bale grass they're big into chopping but he does a bit occasionally alongside a McHale and bales keep shape better and last longer in feeders in winter
- Location
- Le Veurde, Allier, France 03320
And? Mc Hale are in France too you know. There are a few both fixed and variable balers around here, I bought mine over when I came along with the Mc Hale mower. In this area I recon Kuhn have 25% of the baler market and 75% of the mower market.
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
Ireland will have the toughest conditions for baling anywhere in the world.
Some of the wet grass they have to bale at times is not baleable by a belt baler.
So mchale designed a baler for their market, not france.
icanshootwell
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- Location
- Ross-on-wye
This my point, there are times in the year when a belt baler will give you a headache, short wet clover flys through a fixed chamber.
Really is wet grass different I'm Ireland to wet grass here?
Some folk are very blinkered to the (apparent fact) that belt balers will only bale dry product . Which is absolute crap I've made 4ft bales well over 1200kgs with water running like a hose out of the gaps in the belts on both welger and McHale as field clearance jobs in late September/October.
Now and old JD belt baler etc from 20 yrs ago totally different story
They work well contractor locally used one up until very recently putting massive acres through it baling anything an everything
Aye, the fixed chamber Kuhn demonstration didn't start well.....
Grass had been cut with triples and grouped ....... Very badly
However the awful swath couldn't fully explain the particularly horrific bale shapes and inability to properly apply netwrap
Turned out the roll of net had been returned by a customer because it was defective (kept running to one side of the chamber, and easily torn).
Once the roll of net was changed, the baler pressure reduced from setting "10", to pressure "8", the bales were beautiful, despite the horrific swath!
The ability to pull huge lumps in from the side of the pickup real without blocking is remarkable. I doubt if the narrower pickup on the Krone would have managed this swath at all, never mind the forward speed the Kuhn swallowed it. To make a better bale, it was also possible to weave and fill the Kuhn chamber as "normal" even though driving so that the edge of the swath was actually beyond the edge of the pickup tines.
Bale weight? I can't comment accurately, but by crikey they were solid. They first ones baled were a bugger to wrap due to the netwrap, but even those were perfectly round, and rolled easily on the wrapper turntable.
I was impressed with many of the "simple" design ideas on the Kuhn baler. The level of netwrap pre-stretch is very quickly and easily altered, so you can easily alter how far over the shoulders the wrap extends for example.
No, there aren't any pictures of bales from the Krone, I didn't even attempt to make a bale!
Grass had been cut with triples and grouped ....... Very badly
However the awful swath couldn't fully explain the particularly horrific bale shapes and inability to properly apply netwrap
Turned out the roll of net had been returned by a customer because it was defective (kept running to one side of the chamber, and easily torn).
Once the roll of net was changed, the baler pressure reduced from setting "10", to pressure "8", the bales were beautiful, despite the horrific swath!
The ability to pull huge lumps in from the side of the pickup real without blocking is remarkable. I doubt if the narrower pickup on the Krone would have managed this swath at all, never mind the forward speed the Kuhn swallowed it. To make a better bale, it was also possible to weave and fill the Kuhn chamber as "normal" even though driving so that the edge of the swath was actually beyond the edge of the pickup tines.
Bale weight? I can't comment accurately, but by crikey they were solid. They first ones baled were a bugger to wrap due to the netwrap, but even those were perfectly round, and rolled easily on the wrapper turntable.
I was impressed with many of the "simple" design ideas on the Kuhn baler. The level of netwrap pre-stretch is very quickly and easily altered, so you can easily alter how far over the shoulders the wrap extends for example.
No, there aren't any pictures of bales from the Krone, I didn't even attempt to make a bale!
- Location
- Yorkshire
Aye, it was a baler wrapper Combi on demo, but didn't wrap so that I could see how my own wrapper handled them, and compare bale shape to other balers.
The Kuhn 3135 roller baler is the front end of their fixed chamber Combi, just as the McHale 5600 is the front end of a Fusion
The Kuhn 3135 roller baler is the front end of their fixed chamber Combi, just as the McHale 5600 is the front end of a Fusion
Mickeymatbro
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Mickeymatbro
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Mickeymatbro
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Kuhn 3135 on winter barley today
You can see bale average weight on screen
You can see bale average weight on screen
@Mickeymatbro Can you explain to me how these fixed chamber machines are getting as much in a bale?
I've spoken to you about balers and you know you're stuff and I know why you're running what you are and these bales are impressive.
But you can still see the big star in the middle that isn't packed like the variable chamber will do .
I'm guessing at somewhere around the 250 to 300kg mark for my barley bales I'll weigh a few when we bring them in but as you can see they only have a 300mm at most soft star the rest is rolled right to the outside
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Pistonbroke
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I should have taken a photo of our arable silage bales yesterday,no soft core at all,wound from the middle and looked exactly how a belt bale should,out of a Claas 354. Main reason was how slow I was driving. Wheat Straw is about 250kg each,done some spring barley sometimes heavier but only behind a 12 ft combine and going steady. Go quickly and the bales are softer. I am perfectly happy with what it will put in but I am only doing my own in no rush. Alongside a belt Baler at faster speed there would probably be a big difference
Dian Landman
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What are you guys seeing from the Mchale f5500 on weight for silage bales? Been selling a few loads and average weight came in at 550kg at 70% dry matter.
These modern fixed chamber balers run at higher hydraulic pressure than the older ones,like everything else technology has improved drastically.I can remember years ago the door would open and the crop dribble back on the ground if you tried to overfill the bale,that doesn’t happen easily today.The Vicon I’ve had this week makes arguably a tighter bale than my welger that has latches to keep the door shut.That bit in the middle that isn’t pressurised is a very small percentage of the bale anyway.
James
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- Location
- Comber, Down
Mechanic told me mchale can give you a cable to plug into the isobus socket to run the fusion
- Location
- Scottish Borders
Yea gods, all that work to exclude air, and your stabbing holes in them again !
Customer is always right though !
I wouldn't call it a small percentage as until it gets big enough to touch all the rollers it ot under any pressure just the weight of what's tumbling around in there.
If they're working under so much pressure now it must be hard on them surely