Meat: a threat to our planet.

When I was kid growing up we were frightened by the media with tales of nuclear war and the end of humanity. Prompted by government so that they could show how they were protecting us. That seems to have faded away the replaced with climate change where it is the multinationals that seek to profit by changing to unnatural processed food diets that are more profitable than basic foodstuffs.
The use of fear to get the masses to capitulate and conform to the political agenda of the day.?





That said the UN can go f**k themselves, their done more than their fair of manipulation, political intervention and abuse of society as it is over the last 70 years.
 
Can't see that happening. Much of the environmental movement has little to do with the environment and everything to do with far-left politics with a coat of green paint. I believe the phrase "watermelon politics" covers it. Take Moonboot and his anti-sheep and anti-farmer crusade, or Guy Shrubsole from FoE whose more obsessed with who owns land rather than what's done with it, for example. Then you've got the likes of XR (which, in reality, is nothing more than a re-branding of the anti-capitalist group Rising Up!), whose distaste for representative democracy is obvious through their demands for "citizens assemblies", whose decisions government would be forced to implement.
True "Greens" are actually centrist on the political spectrum regardless of where they are in the world, the fact that most seem extreme left is a failure in itself.
 

Swarfmonkey

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Hampshire
What do you define as a true "green" though? One glance at the Green Party election manifesto and you'll see an awful lot of policy that would find favour in the Corbyn version of the Labour Party, particularly when it comes to tax.
 

delilah

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What do you define as a true "green" though?

For the purposes of this thread: Anyone who lives a busy life, hasn't got time for detail, but has a growing awareness that they probably need to make changes to their lifestyle. And is open to persuasion as to what those changes should be.
Every mainstream membership based environmental organisation in the UK is making climate change their number 1 priority. They are all looking for advice to give to their members. It is an open goal for UK agriculture to point out that eating local is the advice to give. The NFU and AHDB fail their members and levy payers with every day that goes by without engaging with these environment groups.
 

Cowabunga

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For the purposes of this thread: Anyone who lives a busy life, hasn't got time for detail, but has a growing awareness that they probably need to make changes to their lifestyle. And is open to persuasion as to what those changes should be.
Every mainstream membership based environmental organisation in the UK is making climate change their number 1 priority. They are all looking for advice to give to their members. It is an open goal for UK agriculture to point out that eating local is the advice to give. The NFU and AHDB fail their members and levy payers with every day that goes by without engaging with these environment groups.
While I agree, I also suspect that hardline leaders of these pressure groups don't want to know and have an agenda that is aimed at wiping out all agricultural animal production.
 
What do you define as a true "green" though? One glance at the Green Party election manifesto and you'll see an awful lot of policy that would find favour in the Corbyn version of the Labour Party, particularly when it comes to tax.
True "Green" is environmentally based but grounded in scientific fact and holistic approach exclusive of the political spectrum . Most farmers here would be classed and or even vote green if only they weren't extreme, uncompromisingly left wing and had a bit of common sense...?
 

Cowabunga

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True "Green" is environmentally based but grounded in scientific fact and holistic approach exclusive of the political spectrum . Most farmers here would be classed and or even vote green if only they weren't extreme, uncompromisingly left wing and had a bit of common sense...?
That's one heck of a lot of "if only" that they haven't got.
 

Swarfmonkey

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Hampshire
For the purposes of this thread: Anyone who lives a busy life, hasn't got time for detail, but has a growing awareness that they probably need to make changes to their lifestyle. And is open to persuasion as to what those changes should be.

Personally, i'd define a green as someone who is willing to make significant changes to the way they live in pursuit of a more sustainable future, no matter how detrimental those changes are to their standard of living.

I completely agree with what you say about the NFU and the AHDB, especially the latter. If they're taking serious amounts of money off you then they should be pulling their finger out. Maybe the latter need reminding that their income is dependant on farmers, not biochemists and microbiologists cooking things up in bioreactors for the big food MNC's?
 

Drillman

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Mixed Farmer
Just watched food unwrapped on channel 4 they did a vegan program. One bloke was at a factory where they were going to great lengths to process veg within an inch of its life to look taste and bleed like a burger during the cooking process!

Now I like a decent burger as much as the next guy but come on!

If I want something to look and taste of meat the simple answer is to buy meat.

As for the meat free lookalike, tastealike burger yeah yeah it’s very clever processing, etc, but I think it’s wrong on so many levels. Good veg doesn’t need to be treated like that, it’s like a decent steak, chop, joint or sausage and can stand on its own merit, without needing to be turned into something that it isn’t!

As for Vegans, if there so against meat why do they want things that look and taste like meat but aren’t? I mean if you want a bloody veggie burger done well what’s so wrong with frying or grilling a great big mushroom with say a thick slice of caramelized onion on top? Stick it in a bread bun, bit of rabbit food as garnish, an interesting sauce, jobs a good un?

Edit- I’m sure other veg burger options are available. It was just the first thing to spring to mind!
 
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Raider112

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Well hopefully the NFU have made it clear that if they use all the old propaganda that veganboy loves to quote the lawyers are watching and will hit them hard. Make it clear that an apology won't do as they've been warned beforehand and unless they balance it with the concrete facts that are widely available then the lawsuits for damages will follow. They have the funds to carry it out and in the current situation there is nothing that would give the industry better value for money. Hit them hard and all the media would think twice, let them get away with it and we all may as well give up.
 

topground

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
Just when the science that said animal fats were bad for us has been shown to be false (which wont have gone down well with the margarine manufacturers that probably funded the original dodgy science) we are being bombarded with the vegan message which is based on a diet of highly processed foods mimicking meat. Have we not learned the lesson that processed food is not good for the long term health of the human body? The behaviour of Multinational processed food manufacturers must be reined in to prevent the damage they are doing in pursuit of profit by manipulating the gullible, particularly young females.
 

lloyd

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Herefordshire
White meat has increased substantially at the expense
of red meat in the UK but you never seem to see it under
attack to the same level .Why is this as poultry must be
a large consumer of proteins imported from around the world?
 

Muddyroads

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NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
White meat has increased substantially at the expense
of red meat in the UK but you never seem to see it under
attack to the same level .Why is this as poultry must be
a large consumer of proteins imported from around the world?
Because the big multinationals who fund much of the anti red meat agenda, are invested in white meat production and processing. Worryingly simple.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Just watched food unwrapped on channel 4 they did a vegan program. One bloke was at a factory where they were going to great lengths to process veg within an inch of its life to look taste and bleed like a burger during the cooking process!

Now I like a decent burger as much as the next guy but come on!

If I want something to look and taste of meat the simple answer is to buy meat.

As for the meat free lookalike, tastealike burger yeah yeah it’s very clever processing, etc, but I think it’s wrong on so many levels. Good veg doesn’t need to be treated like that, it’s like a decent steak, chop, joint or sausage and can stand on its own merit, without needing to be turned into something that it isn’t!

As for Vegans, if there so against meat why do they want things that look and taste like meat but aren’t? I mean if you want a bloody veggie burger done well what’s so wrong with frying or grilling a great big mushroom with say a thick slice of caramelized onion on top? Stick it in a bread bun, bit of rabbit food as garnish, an interesting sauce, jobs a good un?

Edit- I’m sure other veg burger options are available. It was just the first thing to spring to mind!

It is to do with ethics, not the taste which they find very acceptable.
 

Cowgirl

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Ayrshire
Just watched food unwrapped on channel 4 they did a vegan program. One bloke was at a factory where they were going to great lengths to process veg within an inch of its life to look taste and bleed like a burger during the cooking process!

Now I like a decent burger as much as the next guy but come on!

If I want something to look and taste of meat the simple answer is to buy meat.

As for the meat free lookalike, tastealike burger yeah yeah it’s very clever processing, etc, but I think it’s wrong on so many levels. Good veg doesn’t need to be treated like that, it’s like a decent steak, chop, joint or sausage and can stand on its own merit, without needing to be turned into something that it isn’t!

As for Vegans, if there so against meat why do they want things that look and taste like meat but aren’t? I mean if you want a bloody veggie burger done well what’s so wrong with frying or grilling a great big mushroom with say a thick slice of caramelized onion on top? Stick it in a bread bun, bit of rabbit food as garnish, an interesting sauce, jobs a good un?

Edit- I’m sure other veg burger options are available. It was just the first thing to spring to mind!
So what on Earth was the “magic” ingredient that made the vegan cheese from “rice milk” and oil that they wouldn’t allow the cameraman to film? Have any of these processed vegan substitutes been tested to see if they are actually safe for human consumption? Or maybe it was actually rennet and they don’t want to admit it!
 

curlietailz

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Arable Farmer
Location
Sedgefield
We need to get a franchised impossible burger factory in the UK using UK cereals and pulses and a massive Oat milk factory. I don’t like it but it’s better that than have imported Soy burgers and almond milk.
Agree
I feel that we need to “join them”
UK agriculture can provide what “they” need
 

Sid

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Here's a thought, all those on twitter facebook and such like arm yourself between now and monday with info and graphics from NFU, AHDB, TFF and the likes and when it all kicks off on monday counter attack with facts about UK ag.

Why wait for someone else to do it for you?

PS I do not have any social media accounts but am seriously considering it now!
 

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