Meat: a threat to our planet.

[Ted M]

Mate of mine went to the NFU agm last week, spokesperson there said they are working incredibly hard behind the scenes with the BBC.
According to her a lot of this is being driven by a couple of vegan extremists who have managed to get themselves pretty high up the bbc corporate ladder( which I'm sure most of us had worked out before.)
If this is the case then surely they could be called out and their propaganda shown up for what it is.
There must be a legal angle here somewhere as even a blind man couldn't miss the constant tide of their sh!t.
It's not like we haven't been here before with the beeb and their pulling the wool over people's eyes with the likes of Saville and his mates.
What makes them above everyone else?
The sooner they are brought down the better.

 

[thesilentone]

According to the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), agriculture accounted for 9% of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions in 2016. Of this 9%, animal agriculture was responsible for 4%. Transportation and electricity generation were each responsible for 29% of emissions, industry 22%, and commercial/residential 12%.

However, the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations (UN) claim that livestock agriculture is responsible for a sizeable 14.5% of global emissions. This figure is such because less developed countries are generally home to inefficient, unproductive livestock.

For example, in 2014/15, the average daily milk yield of indigenous cows in India was 2.54 kg. Whereas the average daily milk yield of an American cow is approximately 31 kg.

Therefore, one American cow produces as much milk as twelve Indian cows. As a result, the less developed countries contribute a greater portion of their greenhouse gases to the world total in the form of livestock emissions.

In fact, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) estimates that 70 – 80% of global livestock related greenhouse gas emissions stem from developing countries. The implication of this, is that third world countries are to blame for “causing anthropogenic climate change” – which is obviously ridiculous.

As a final blow to this livestock emissions nonsense, consider the following:

In 1909 the number of motor vehicles registered in the U.S. totalled 312,000. By 2015, this had increased to 263,610,219. Over this time period, the number of motor vehicles per person increased by a whopping 27,233%.

However, between 1909 and 2015, the number of cattle (beef + dairy) per person in the U.S. decreased by 58%.

The premise that cattle are a leading cause of anthropogenic climate change never really made sense. This argument is merely co-opted to further the anti-animal agriculture narrative.

 

[DaveGrohl]

None of it holds any water whatsoever. It's the old story of constantly telling the people a lie and eventually they'll believe it.

 

[bumkin]

Mate of mine went to the NFU agm last week, spokesperson there said they are working incredibly hard behind the scenes with the BBC.
According to her a lot of this is being driven by a couple of vegan extremists who have managed to get themselves pretty high up the bbc corporate ladder( which I'm sure most of us had worked out before.)
If this is the case then surely they could be called out and their propaganda shown up for what it is.
There must be a legal angle here somewhere as even a blind man couldn't miss the constant tide of their sh!t.
It's not like we haven't been here before with the beeb and their pulling the wool over people's eyes with the likes of Saville and his mates.
What makes them above everyone else?
The sooner they are brought down the better.

they are working hard behind the scenes ,'like saying your doing buisness in the pub

 

[Ted M]

Exactly. It was also mentioned that the bbc haven't got a bottomless pit of money to throw at this although they seem to be doing a fair job of mud slinging so far.
I took this to mean "if we keep our heads down it will all eventually go away."

 

[delilah]

Mate of mine went to the NFU agm last week, spokesperson there said they are working incredibly hard behind the scenes with the BBC.

This is a problem entirely of the NFU's making. If you continually slag an organisation off - accuse them of institutional bias, whinge about the effect of their programming on farmers mental health, etc etc - then of course you are going to have to then work bloody hard to get anywhere with them.

If the NFU communications department had been remotely doing its job properly, it would for as far back as anyone could remember have had BBC journalists on board, meeting with them for a drink, drip feeding stories. You catch more flies with sugar than vinegar.

Have a look at the zerobeef facebook page. They have got Roger Harrabin in their pocket. Likewise AR, constantly working on their mission. It's called commitment. Everyone on here likes to slag off the vegan brigade, calling them layabouts, saying they should go get a proper job and so on. I can tell you who will be working hard getting their message out now it has gone 5pm, and it wont be the NFU.

 

[Ted M]

Yes, you're probably right. I had a look at the zero beef fb page a week or so ago. The only positive I could find was it was about 4 pages back on Google

 

[Lowland1]

This is a problem entirely of the NFU's making. If you continually slag an organisation off - accuse them of institutional bias, whinge about the effect of their programming on farmers mental health, etc etc - then of course you are going to have to then work bloody hard to get anywhere with them.

If the NFU communications department had been remotely doing its job properly, it would for as far back as anyone could remember have had BBC journalists on board, meeting with them for a drink, drip feeding stories. You catch more flies with sugar than vinegar.

Have a look at the zerobeef facebook page. They have got Roger Harrabin in their pocket. Likewise AR, constantly working on their mission. It's called commitment. Everyone on here likes to slag off the vegan brigade, calling them layabouts, saying they should go get a proper job and so on. I can tell you who will be working hard getting their message out now it has gone 5pm, and it wont be the NFU.

The unfortunate thing is that Farmers are tarring all Vegans/Vegetarians as nutters something these days that they are not and as such there is no common ground. Farmers actually have to identify with these people and their views and aims and show there is an alternative. Reading a lot of these threads it really seems we are looking at a massive conspiracy rather than what I believe is that people are just exercising their right to choose

 

[Ted M]

I have no problem with people exercising their right to choose although I may not agree with them.
What I do have a problem with is a supposedly unbiased organisation continually drip feeding the public with trumped up "facts" and unbalanced opinion.

 

[Shep]

I have no problem with people exercising their right to choose although I may not agree with them.
What I do have a problem with is a supposedly unbiased organisation continually drip feeding the public with trumped up "facts" and unbalanced opinion.

This this and this! Lowland1 please take note.

 

[Lowland1]

This this and this! Lowland1 please take note.

Explain please

 

[thesilentone]

The unfortunate thing is that Farmers are tarring all Vegans/Vegetarians as nutters something these days that they are not and as such there is no common ground. Farmers actually have to identify with these people and their views and aims and show there is an alternative. Reading a lot of these threads it really seems we are looking at a massive conspiracy rather than what I believe is that people are just exercising their right to choose

With Vegetarians you are correct, it's a free World, eat what you want. However, the Vegans have a targeted campaign to discredit farming and farmers as animal abusing, cruel killers with blood on there hands. In some cases the Videos used are shocking and show terrible animal cruelty and abuse, usually shot in South and North America.

I personally have no issue with anyone who chooses a Vegan diet, however why not leave it at that, and use the Video's as evidence to bring charges against anyone who is cruel to animals ?

Many Vegans are extremists, who have a grudge or chip on there shoulders.

What is achieved by this type of protest other than the alienation of vegans ?

Vegan activist ‘smashed up McDonald's in anti-meat protest’

Activists stormed into the Brighton fast food chain on May 17, holding signs and chanting through a megaphone.

metro.co.uk

Criminal past of vegan activist is exposed live on GMB by Piers Morgan

The tables were quickly turned on outspoken vegan Joey Carbstrong (pictured) after Piers Morgan queried his violent past as a gang member, in which he was jailed for carrying a shotgun.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Vegan activists who shut down Melbourne streets ordered to donate to animal sanctuary

Dozens of vegan activists avoid criminal convictions over a protest which shut down parts of central Melbourne, but must pay $100 each to an animal sanctuary.

www.abc.net.au

Vegan Parents Charged For Death Of 'Extremely Malnourished' Son Fed Raw Food Diet | Oxygen Official Site

Two Florida parents were arrested after their 18-month-old son allegedly died as a result of being nourished with only raw fruits, vegetables, and breast milk. Sheila O’Leary, 35, and Ryan O’Leary, 30, were hit with manslaughter and child neglect charges months after the death of their infant...

www.oxygen.com

Here we have an individual in childcare, who's extremism will put the business on the line.

Fish fingers banned as nursery goes vegan — Animal Activist Watch

A nursery has caused fury by introducing a vegan menu for all children without consulting parents. Parents in Chester, UK, criticised the move…

www.animalactivistwatch.com

So, a fair amount of misrepresentation here : https://www.jigsawcurzonhousedaynursery.co.uk/about-us/our-meals/

 

[Lowland1]

With Vegetarians you are correct, it's a free World, eat what you want. However, the Vegans have a targeted campaign to discredit farming and farmers as animal abusing, cruel killers with blood on there hands. In some cases the Videos used are shocking and show terrible animal cruelty and abuse, usually shot in South and North America.

I personally have no issue with anyone who chooses a Vegan diet, however why not leave it at that, and use the Video's as evidence to bring charges against anyone who is cruel to animals ?

Many Vegans are extremists, who have a grudge or chip on there shoulders.

What is achieved by this type of protest other than the alienation of vegans ?

Vegan activist ‘smashed up McDonald's in anti-meat protest’

Activists stormed into the Brighton fast food chain on May 17, holding signs and chanting through a megaphone.

metro.co.uk

Criminal past of vegan activist is exposed live on GMB by Piers Morgan

The tables were quickly turned on outspoken vegan Joey Carbstrong (pictured) after Piers Morgan queried his violent past as a gang member, in which he was jailed for carrying a shotgun.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Vegan activists who shut down Melbourne streets ordered to donate to animal sanctuary

Dozens of vegan activists avoid criminal convictions over a protest which shut down parts of central Melbourne, but must pay $100 each to an animal sanctuary.

www.abc.net.au

Vegan Parents Charged For Death Of 'Extremely Malnourished' Son Fed Raw Food Diet | Oxygen Official Site

Two Florida parents were arrested after their 18-month-old son allegedly died as a result of being nourished with only raw fruits, vegetables, and breast milk. Sheila O’Leary, 35, and Ryan O’Leary, 30, were hit with manslaughter and child neglect charges months after the death of their infant...

www.oxygen.com

Here we have an individual in childcare, who's extremism will put the business on the line.

Fish fingers banned as nursery goes vegan — Animal Activist Watch

A nursery has caused fury by introducing a vegan menu for all children without consulting parents. Parents in Chester, UK, criticised the move…

www.animalactivistwatch.com

So, a fair amount of misrepresentation here : https://www.jigsawcurzonhousedaynursery.co.uk/about-us/our-meals/

Google 'BBC Vegan bias' and see what you get. The Vegans are as angry with the BBC as farmers. I wrote that we should n't treat all Vegans as nutters. For all the nutters that are doing the things you have stated there are many many more going about very normal lives just meat and dairy free.

 

[Ted M]

Just had a look and to be fair they do seem a bit annoyed.
Imagine how angry they'd be if they'd had a feature on countryfile, an hour long repeat on some since discredited science, a whole one hour documentary on extreme vegans and had it shoe - horned into as many other bbc programmes as possible how bad they allegedly are for the planet.
The BBC should stick to reporting peer reviewed science and let people make up their own minds.

 

[thesilentone]

Google 'BBC Vegan bias' and see what you get. The Vegans are as angry with the BBC as farmers. I wrote that we should n't treat all Vegans as nutters. For all the nutters that are doing the things you have stated there are many many more going about very normal lives just meat and dairy free.

I agree, the extremists always make the red top papers, however what about the Nursery in Chester ? What excuse is there for imposing a Vegan diet on children, who of any group require the best nutrition that is available. What flawed science or information makes Mrs Taylor think for one second that her actions are protecting the planet or in anyway beneficial to the children.

If we continue down this void route, only the poor will suffer:

https://www.ipcc-nggip.iges.or.jp/public/gl/guidelin/ch4ref5.pdf

In addition to the 12/1 ratio of Dairy Animals in Indian v USA for the same levels of production.

Veganism = Extremism

 

[Sid]

You may feel like your saving the planet but that's just the sugar rush!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50628962

 

[jondear]

You may feel like your saving the planet but that's just the sugar rush!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50628962

First time I've heard a negative story about vegans on R 1 !

 

[Top Tip.]

First time I've heard a negative story about vegans on R 1 !

Could it be that the tide is turning??

 

[jondear]

Tadd early to say that I feel!

 

[Muddyroads]

Could it be that the tide is turning??

Lets hope so, but it needs to go a long way out before it starts rushing back in next month.