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<blockquote data-quote="Shep" data-source="post: 6656445" data-attributes="member: 1549"><p>So what do our resident vegans and vegan lurkers suggest? </p><p> Apart from condemnation and demonisation, what are they doing in a positive manner to further their aims? Have you came up with any viable alternatives for livestock producers on marginal land? We have seen an onslaught of abuse and bad science in the last few years which has received a lot of funding from dubious sources, but why has this money not been used in a positive manner to create an alternative industry? Why is there no demand for oats to make oat water? Why is there not adverts in the press asking for suppliers of such products? Do you think you are going to get support from the people you need to get the support from by demonising them and trying to bankrupt them? If you want to end animal farming then you need to get livestock farmers on side, not alienate them or they will carry on in spite of you, same with consumers. </p><p> My notion is that you don't have any answers, and you are driven purely by feelings and emotions which are thrashed out on keyboards! You can't demand change without providing an alternative. Have you ever looked at a satellite image of the UK as an example? Have you noticed how green it is? That is what you are up against, the scale is immense, you need to be more positive and adopt a can do attitude, roll your sleeves up and get your hands dirty if you want to turn that grass into something you can eat, because if you don't, the people who live in those areas will never forgive you for taking away their existence. </p><p> Vegans always remind me of the IRA! If they had used the carrot instead of the stick, they would have achieved their aims long ago.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shep, post: 6656445, member: 1549"] So what do our resident vegans and vegan lurkers suggest? Apart from condemnation and demonisation, what are they doing in a positive manner to further their aims? Have you came up with any viable alternatives for livestock producers on marginal land? We have seen an onslaught of abuse and bad science in the last few years which has received a lot of funding from dubious sources, but why has this money not been used in a positive manner to create an alternative industry? Why is there no demand for oats to make oat water? Why is there not adverts in the press asking for suppliers of such products? Do you think you are going to get support from the people you need to get the support from by demonising them and trying to bankrupt them? If you want to end animal farming then you need to get livestock farmers on side, not alienate them or they will carry on in spite of you, same with consumers. My notion is that you don't have any answers, and you are driven purely by feelings and emotions which are thrashed out on keyboards! You can't demand change without providing an alternative. Have you ever looked at a satellite image of the UK as an example? Have you noticed how green it is? That is what you are up against, the scale is immense, you need to be more positive and adopt a can do attitude, roll your sleeves up and get your hands dirty if you want to turn that grass into something you can eat, because if you don't, the people who live in those areas will never forgive you for taking away their existence. Vegans always remind me of the IRA! If they had used the carrot instead of the stick, they would have achieved their aims long ago. [/QUOTE]
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