Meat, dairy and travel

[delilah]

All over the news today, the three things that will be taxed to save the planet.
And what do you expect, when you are all quite happy for your national bodies to go around saying that you cause 5% of all UK GHG emissions, or 10%, or whatever this weeks figure plucked out of the air by the NFU/AHDB/NBA is.
It is all to be lined up for announcement at the Glasgow summit. Britain leading the way. You have weeks to get your act together. To stop apologizing, to explain to Government that any taxation on UK ag will increase emissions. Extract your digits.

 

[devonbeef]

are they not thinking of supporting p pasture within elms!!!!! Whats grazing that. All political. nothings joined up. Every different top brass have there own agenda.Goodness knows how we counter it with our best hope being ie nfu nba supporting us.Many of us have written lobbied ,is it listened too, for five minutes then forgotten. I wish i could feel a bit positive about it , but the slope feels slippery and steep. I agree we must keep fighting.

 

[tje]

Taxing food has never been a vote winner .

 

[Boysground]

And at the same time government are giving permission for a new coal mine

Climate change: Minister rapped for allowing Cumbria coal mine

The government's climate change advisors say it will compromise the UK’s legally binding carbon budgets.

www.bbc.co.uk

Double standards I think

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[Boysground]

Taxing food has never been a vote winner .

True but with 2 threads titled Vegan Curriculum at the moment I wonder if that may change, maybe just in middle England.

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[tje]

Not so much middle England more lefty/liberal/woke England , but i think there might a bit of a push back .

True but with 2 threads titled Vegan Curriculum at the moment I wonder if that may change, maybe just in middle England.

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[Boysground]

Not so much middle England more lefty/liberal/woke England , but i think there might a bit of a push back .

I wonder if the drive for shop local and reduce food miles may increase momentum. I’ve had mentioned to me a few times now.

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[Cows 'n grass]

Where is it all over the news? I can't see a thing?

 

[tje]

Daily mail ..

Where is it all over the news? I can't see a thing?

 

[Cows 'n grass]

Daily mail ..

That'd be why I didn't see it.

I'm also pretty sure the whole world classifies the daily mail as somewhere between gossip and lies. No one considers it to be news.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

It's in the Times as well.

I made my feelings on the subject very clear to my (Conservative) MP in an email I sent him this morning. If the Tories want to find themselves out of power for generations then making people pay more for their heating and eating is a good way to do it.

 

[Agrivator]

And at the same time government are giving permission for a new coal mine

Climate change: Minister rapped for allowing Cumbria coal mine

The government's climate change advisors say it will compromise the UK’s legally binding carbon budgets.

www.bbc.co.uk

Double standards I think

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But we need coal suitable to produce coke, to produce high quality steel to produce all the turbines, generators, electric cars etc which are going to save the planet.

Or can we produce high grade steel without coke?

 

[Bill the Bass]

Let them get on with it, I am past caring to be honest. If they want to tax some of the most nutrient dense foods known to man whilst 1.5million people in the UK rely on food banks and they cant even afford to feed the most vulnerable kids outside of term time then they are well and truly beyond hope.

Completely thick, chinless f**ktards. This government are beyond help, new coal mine anyone? I’m fighting climate change.

 

[Dan Powell]

I'm all for a price on carbon as long as they pay both sides of the equation (e.g. sequestered and released) at the same rate. And they need to reflect the difference between methane and carbon dioxide in terms of GWP* not GWP100. That's if we're serious about reducing warming.

 

[Hindsight]

Where is it all over the news? I can't see a thing?

THE TIMES

New carbon taxes: meat, cheese and gas heating prices to rise

Oliver Wright, Policy Editor
Thursday February 04 2021, 12.01am, The Times
Climate change
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Consumers face higher prices on meat, cheese and gas heating under plans being drawn up by Boris Johnson for new carbon taxes and charges.

The prime minister has ordered every department to produce a “price” for carbon emissions across all areas of the economy as part of a drive to achieve his net-zero carbon pledge. The proposals are at the centre of the carbon reduction blueprint that is expected to be announced in the run-up to Cop26, the United Nations’ climate change conference being hosted by Britain in Glasgow in November.

Only heavy industry, power generators and airlines are charged for their carbon emissions at present. However, ministers want to expand the “polluter pays” principle to all sectors, which could lead to higher consumer bills on some of the most carbon-intensive goods and services. This would mean a de facto carbon tax or charge on products such as beef, lamb and cheese.


The proposals could also lead to a switch from climate change levies on electricity bills to taxes on more heavily polluting forms of heating, such as gas. At present environmental and social charges account for 23 per cent of electricity bills, compared with 2 per cent for gas.
A Whitehall memo seen by The Times reveals that Downing Street and the Treasury have asked all departments for plans for a carbon-pricing scheme across all areas of the economy.

“The chancellor and the prime minister want a sector-by-sector view on how we could implement some form of carbon pricing and an overall road map to deliver [it] in the next decade,” the memo states. It suggests that these could include a direct “carbon tax”.
The proposals put forward by government departments will form part of an overall strategy to “deliver a carbon price for the whole economy” that is due to be announced by the prime minister before the UN climate conference.
One source close to the government’s thinking said that Britain’s plans could be used to persuade other countries to follow suit as part of the international move towards net zero.
“The big driver for this is that if you can get a decent chunk of countries to agree to some kind of carbon price floor then you can finally have an [international] system that encompasses all the big competitive industries and potentially agriculture,” the source said.
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One of the concerns in developed countries such as Britain is that imposing carbon taxes on industries could put them at a competitive disadvantage against nations that do not have the same financial penalties.
The EU has already raised the prospect of introducing a carbon border adjustment that would levy charges on products from countries that do not impose penalties for emissions.
Britain is investigating such measures but would prefer an international approach that could be delivered through Cop26. Although Britain’s plan has yet to be formalised the government wants to use its chairmanship of the conference to push the issue up the international agenda.
Experts welcomed the move but warned yesterday that ministers would need to ensure that the burden of new domestic taxes and charges did not hit those least able to pay.
Katie White, executive director of the World Wildlife Fund, said the government needed to ensure that families were supported: “Carbon taxes could be a bold and effective way to accelerate the low-carbon transition, but the government must ensure families don’t lose out and businesses are supported to make the move to a clean and prosperous economy.”
Darren Jones, chairman of the Commons business select committee, said he supported the concept of carbon pricing as it was an “important part of achieving net zero”. But he added: “What we wouldn’t want to do is undermine that by acting too quickly with carbon pricing that could see a very significant change in consumer costs.”
Jess Ralston, an analyst at the energy and climate intelligence unit, said that the government’s move was significant, adding: “If we are going to meet net zero we need to see all parts of the economy decarbonising and a blanket carbon tax would help with that.”
Analysis
Downing Street knows profound changes must be made now if the UK is to meet its pledge to achieve net-zero emissions by 2050. Central to this is a plan to put a carbon “price” — an effective pollution tax — on all aspects of the UK economy.
This is likely to have long-term ramifications for two key areas: domestic gas heating and food. Polluting gas could shoulder more of the “green tax” burden, perhaps through a straight carbon tax on bills, while a rise in food prices to reflect the high carbon cost of agriculture — which generated 10 per cent of UK greenhouse gas emissions in 2017 — would force farmers and consumers to think differently.



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[betweenthelines]

Put up the price of heating a home and people may turn the central heating down a degree or two.

50 years ago how many homes had central heating, how many homes had more than one car, how many people regularly ate imported food?

There's your problem.

 

[Cows 'n grass]

Quote from the times article...

"The proposals could also lead to a switch from climate change levies on electricity bills to taxes on more heavily polluting forms of heating, such as gas"

Two months ago the government replaced my electric hot water and heating with a new gas fired combi boiler and radiators throughout 100% free of charge.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

If BoJo is stupid enough to tax meat and increase the tax on domestic gas then he deserves everything that happens afterwards.

There's a hell of a lot of people in this country that are already utterly hacked off with having been locked down for so long (apart from the authoritarian types - of the far left and far right - who get moist at the idea of the government having so much control over people) and it won't take much more for them to start kicking off.

 

[delilah]

Folks are missing/ ignoring the point of the OP.
You are all telling Government - via your national bodies - that you are responsible for 10% of UK GHG emissions.
Not the BBC. Not the Moonbat. Not The Daily Mail. You.
Why shouldn't you, therefore, get hit with crippling taxes ?
The polluter pays. It is a sound principle. You pollute the environment, you get made to pay.
Are you going to keep telling Government that it is all your fault, and accept the consequences ? Or are you going to change tack, and start to point out, to use the most pressing example, that cows are part of the solution not part of the problem ?

 

[serf]

Time for bojo to trade his mrs in for an upgrade, she's a bad influence on him !