Meat farmers likened to Big Tobacco

[Bald Rick]

Meat producers are being likened to Big Tobacco and the fossil fuel industry by a new report from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine lead by Kathryn Clare and published in Food Policy

The report accuses the meat producers of employing the same tactics as tobacco and fossil fuel industries to “underplay the health and environmental damage of their products”

This is the abstract as it’s a subscription model

Meat, money and messaging: How the environmental and health harms of red and processed meat consumption are framed by the meat industry

Calls to cut consumption of red and processed meat, in order to protect both human and planetary health, are drawing increased attention from policy a…

www.sciencedirect.com

Oh joy … yet another attack accusing livestock of emitting 15% of CO2 and cancer causing

 

[DrWazzock]

Well what’s the point of living at all if you can’t enjoy a steak, wine, beer, V8, even a fag if you like them?
We are going to end up living the life of virtuous worms.

 

[deleted user 436632456]

Well what’s the point of living at all if you can’t enjoy a steak, wine, beer, V8, even a fag if you like them?
We are going to end up living the life of virtuous worms.

Sounds like a great afternoon out in the lorry down the m6!

 

[Bald Rick]

Bit more here

Messaging from the UK meat industry is undermining evidence on the environmental and health impacts of red and processed meat | LSHTM

In the face of growing national and international consensus on the need to reduce meat consumption for environmental and population health reasons, the meat industry may be attempting to cast doubt on scientific evidence and downplay harms, claiming instead that people should keep eating meat to...

www.lshtm.ac.uk

 

[DrWazzock]

FFS. I’m giving up social media

 

[Swarfmonkey]

No disclosure of interest statement from the senior author of that dross, Dr James Milner, that he's in receipt of substantial grant funding from the Wellcome Trust, co-founder of the avowedly anti-meat EAT organisation?

I am surprised. Not.

 

[Bald Rick]

FFS. I’m giving up social media

Unfortunately, this is a peer reviewed academic paper

Makes one feel a bit like the poor of bull in the corrida …. It’s not the first cut or the second or the fifteenth that kills

 

[Bald Rick]

No disclosure of interest statement from the senior author of that dross, Dr James Milner, that he's in receipt of substantial grant funding from the Wellcome Trust, co-founder of the avowedly anti-meat EAT organisation?

I am surprised. Not.

My attention was drawn to it because the report featured on page 3 of today’s Times

Not really the Page 3 of old …

 

[CopperBeech]

People live too long. This is causing the environmental crises.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

Unfortunately, this is a peer reviewed academic paper

Makes one feel a bit like the poor of bull in the corrida …. It’s not the first cut or the second or the fifteenth that kills

Peer reviewed is not quite the gold standard it's made out to be. The editor of the BMJ has been flagging issues with it for years, being particularly damning at one point when he said "The problem with peer review is that we have good evidence on its deficiencies and poor evidence on its benefits. We know that it is expensive, slow, prone to bias, open to abuse, possibly anti-innovatory, and unable to detect fraud".

 

[vantage]

Unfortunately, this is a peer reviewed academic paper

Makes one feel a bit like the poor of bull in the corrida …. It’s not the first cut or the second or the fifteenth that kills

I guess it depends who your peers are!

 

[DrWazzock]

Peer reviewed academic paper? Otherwise known as bollox.

 

[Northern territory]

Peer reviewed is not quite the gold standard it's made out to be. The editor of the BMJ has been flagging issues with it for years, being particularly damning at one point when he said "The problem with peer review is that we have good evidence on its deficiencies and poor evidence on its benefits. We know that it is expensive, slow, prone to bias, open to abuse, possibly anti-innovatory, and unable to detect fraud".

A bit like a favourite of mine the public enquiry. Let’s have another public enquiry, could think of better things to spend the money on.

 

[SteveHants]

Meat producers are being likened to Big Tobacco and the fossil fuel industry by a new report from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine lead by Kathryn Clare and published in Food Policy

The report accuses the meat producers of employing the same tactics as tobacco and fossil fuel industries to “underplay the health and environmental damage of their products”

This is the abstract as it’s a subscription model

Meat, money and messaging: How the environmental and health harms of red and processed meat consumption are framed by the meat industry

Calls to cut consumption of red and processed meat, in order to protect both human and planetary health, are drawing increased attention from policy a…

www.sciencedirect.com

Oh joy … yet another attack accusing livestock of emitting 15% of CO2 and cancer causing

Ugh
Now I suppose I'll have to read it.

To add, this is a thematic analysis of meat marketing though - Thematic analysis is wishy-washy at best.

Also, there's a great deal of peer-reviewed science that contradicts the premise(s) set out in the introduction.

 

[Northern territory]

Some reckon higher rates of dementia is linked to less smokers. Whatever you do and don’t do, everyone dies at some point that’s one thing nobody can avoid.

 

[thorpe]

A bit like a favourite of mine the public enquiry. Let’s have another public enquiry, could think of better things to spend the money on.

who pays for a public enquiry and how much do the enquiries get paid?

 

[DrWazzock]

It’s what academics do. They have a personal opinion. They look for evidence to justify that personal opinion excluding evidence that contradicts it. They ask mates with the same opinion to validate their opinion and thus they think they’ve launched some new groundbreaking credible scientifically based theory. But it’s still most likely biased personal bollox.
I really can’t see how an animal grazing a clover ley which fixes its own nitrogen and results in meat which is a concentrated form of protein in a completely sustainable and repeatable way can ever be considered anything but an extremely good and wholesome thing.
Anybody who says otherwise is an arse of the highest order.

 

[Northern territory]

who pays for a public enquiry and how much do the enquiries get paid?

Government funded so us

 

[SteveHants]

It’s what academics do. They have a personal opinion. They look for evidence to justify that personal opinion excluding evidence that contradicts it. They ask mates with the same opinion to validate their opinion........

They shouldn't - if you have a theory, you ought to try as hard as you can to disprove it, and if you cannot, then you accept it as theory.

Also, if you think scientists are all pally pally with each other/people on peer review committees, then you've never met scientists.

 

[Northern territory]

They shouldn't - if you have a theory, you ought to try as hard as you can to disprove it, and if you cannot, then you accept it as theory.

Also, if you think scientists are all pally pally with each other/people on peer review committees, then you've never met scientists.

Trouble is universities are totally infiltrated with anti meat thinkers. They will go above and beyond to prove meat is bad. Very little independent thinking going on.