Medical Apartheid in the state of Victoria

kiwi pom

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canterbury NZ
The North & South islands are separated with a lockdown? No flights coming in to the South Island?
There is but all the cases are in Auckland and you're not allowed to travel out of there unless you're an essential worker and from today they are requiring tests to get out of the area I think. Some have managed to escape though and later been dobbed in online and tracked down by the cops, you'd think they were murderers or child molesters the way the media has hunted them down and put their names out there.

All getting a bit 1984 here at the moment.
 

Charlie Gill

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Kent
Blair has opened his gob again and wants domestic passports. This doesn't make sense to me:

“They are the only tool that allows us to show that those who have the virus and need to stay at home actually are at home, and that those who are free of the virus are able to move around freely.”


Is this his stab at getting ID cards?
 

le bon paysan

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin, France
Blair has opened his gob again and wants domestic passports. This doesn't make sense to me:

“They are the only tool that allows us to show that those who have the virus and need to stay at home actually are at home, and that those who are free of the virus are able to move around freely.”


Is this his stab at getting ID cards?
Wouldn't agree with the quote. We've got them here, all it shows is you've had 2 jabs. It doesn't stop you carrying it or spreading it although you're less likely to. (Also shows if you've had a negative test) It's a tool to get people to get vaccinated as you can do very little without it.
I don't understand why people are against ID cards. They prove who you are and your right to be there. They'd help fight illegal immigration.
You can't work here without one. Employ an illegal and you're in as much trouble as them.
 

Charlie Gill

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Kent
Wouldn't agree with the quote. We've got them here, all it shows is you've had 2 jabs. It doesn't stop you carrying it or spreading it although you're less likely to. (Also shows if you've had a negative test) It's a tool to get people to get vaccinated as you can do very little without it.
I don't understand why people are against ID cards. They prove who you are and your right to be there. They'd help fight illegal immigration.
You can't work here without one. Employ an illegal and you're in as much trouble as them.
I get international vaccine passports because there is precedent. Domestic ones, I can't get my head around. Are ID's and vaccination status linked in France?
 
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Pel
What precedent is there for needing a vaccine to go to another country against a virus that is endemic in both countries?
Same precedent that shopkeepers will use here to stop people entering.
I think it will end up ditched here like Boris has. It's kinda pointless anyway, considering a vaccinated person can be a worse super spreader than unvaccinated as they may only think they have a sniffle. Its scaremongering to make people get jabbed. If not, I think a constitutional high court challenge would see it deemed illegal.
 

Charlie Gill

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Kent
Yes, I know what you meant, just pointing out that this is completely different to anything gone before.
There is no precedent, the vaccine passports are there simply to coerce people to get vaccinated and punish them if they don't...
Exactly that. You're the wrong person to ask, but to others; is it justified?
 
He reason we do not need vaccine passports is that most people have now got anti bodies to covid
theave tier bed vaccinated giving antibodies or have had covid giving them antibodies

with the delta variants tranmisability and infectability i is now certain that we will all come into contact with covid
any one unvaccinated now is playing Russian roulette with their live however low they perceive their risk it is much higher than if they were vaccinated

would you play russian roulette with a 300 chambered gun knowing one bullet was in it

without vaccination we would now be in lockdown fatigue hundreds of thousands deaths and overloaded hospital
then we would have fear of mixing and all the economic implications
the 4 to 5 waves of covid would have been devastating
 

essex man

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colchester
He reason we do not need vaccine passports is that most people have now got anti bodies to covid
theave tier bed vaccinated giving antibodies or have had covid giving them antibodies

with the delta variants tranmisability and infectability i is now certain that we will all come into contact with covid
any one unvaccinated now is playing Russian roulette with their live however low they perceive their risk it is much higher than if they were vaccinated

would you play russian roulette with a 300 chambered gun knowing one bullet was in it

without vaccination we would now be in lockdown fatigue hundreds of thousands deaths and overloaded hospital
then we would have fear of mixing and all the economic implications
the 4 to 5 waves of covid would have been devastating
 

essex man

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Location
colchester
My ris
He reason we do not need vaccine passports is that most people have now got anti bodies to covid
theave tier bed vaccinated giving antibodies or have had covid giving them antibodies

with the delta variants tranmisability and infectability i is now certain that we will all come into contact with covid
any one unvaccinated now is playing Russian roulette with their live however low they perceive their risk it is much higher than if they were vaccinated

would you play russian roulette with a 300 chambered gun knowing one bullet was in it

without vaccination we would now be in lockdown fatigue hundreds of thousands deaths and overloaded hospital
then we would have fear of mixing and all the economic implications
the 4 to 5 waves of covid would have been devastating
I'm glad you agree that vaccine passports are not needed.
Imo They exist in order to oppress the unvaccinated and coerce them into taking an experimental type of drug.
Also exist to make the vaccinated feel happy.
 

Trutti

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REUTERS FACT CHECK
APRIL 14, 202110:35 AMUPDATED 5 MONTHS AGO

CORRECTED-Fact Check- COVID-19 vaccines are not experimental and they have not skipped trial stages ​

By Reuters Fact Check
9 MIN READ

Correction, April 30, 2021: An earlier version of this check described the Pfizer/BioNtech, Moderna and J&J vaccines as being approved for use in the United States. This has been corrected to say these vaccines have been authorized for emergency use by the FDA. Vaccine makers will need to apply to the FDA for full approval to continue use after the pandemic.
Claims that COVID-19 vaccines are “experimental”, have skipped animal testing and have not completed initial research trials are false. They were included in a Facebook post addressed in this check.
Titled “6 facts about the 3 vaccines”, the post can be seen (here). Four of the most damaging claims will be discussed below. Any others, however, are outside the scope of this check.
CLAIM 1 - “All the vaccines are considered experimental”
According to the post, all vaccines are considered experimental. This is not true – they have all been put through standard safety testing before being rolled out to the public.
Both the United States and United Kingdom have authorized the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna mRNA vaccines for emergency use, while the former has also authorized shots by Johnson & Johnson; the latter by Oxford/AstraZeneca.
Emergency use authorization (EUA) in the U.S. has been issued as a result of the severity of the pandemic. When the pandemic is over, the EUA will cease and vaccine manufacturers will need to apply for full U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval (here). No timeline on this has yet been given (here). The UK, meanwhile, has a similar mechanism (here , here).

The Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca shots are viral vector vaccines, a type of jab also used during Ebola outbreaks, as well as in studies of illnesses including influenza, Zika and HIV (here). They both use a modified and weakened version of a harmless adenovirus to deliver instructions to cells to make coronavirus spike proteins. This will generate an immune response and prevent infection (here , here).
Meanwhile, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use messenger RNA (mRNA) to generate a similar immune response. While these are the first mRNA vaccines to be rolled out to the general public, the technology behind them has been developed over a number of years (here).
CLAIM 2 - “All were allowed to skip animal trials”
The claim that COVID-19 vaccines have skipped animal trials has already been covered by Reuters here) here .
Oxford University confirmed the vaccine it created with AstraZeneca has undergone animal trials in the UK, US and Australia (here). Pfizer and BioNTech released information in Sept. 2020 about the effects of their mRNA vaccine in mice and non-human primates (here).
Moderna has released similar information (here, here), as has Johnson & Johnson (here).
However, due to time constraints and the urgency to find a vaccine for COVID-19, Moderna and Pfizer did receive approval to run animal testing and early trials on humans at the same time, as opposed to fully completing animal trials before moving on to human trials. This, however, does not mean animal trials were skipped. (  here, here ,  here).

CLAIM 3 - “None have completed initial research trials”
All four vaccines given emergency authorization in the U.S. and UK have published results from the final phase three trials.
Pfizer/BioNTech’s phase three trial began in late July 2020 and the results were published in December 2020 (here). The trial enrolled 46,331 participants at 153 sites around the world in Argentina, Brazil, Turkey, South Africa and the U.S., according to Pfizer’s website (here).
Oxford/AstraZeneca’s clinical trials involved 23,848 people across the UK, Brazil, and South Africa between April and November 2020, according to a report published by the Oxford Vaccine Group in the medical journal The Lancet (bit.ly/3u7POsa, page 1).
Johnson & Johnson recruited 44,325 people for its phase three clinical trial between September 2020 and January 2021 (here, here), while Moderna had 30,420 volunteers for the same phase of testing between July and October 2020 (here).
CLAIM 4 - “None will complete a research trial for 2-3 years”
This is not true, and likely stems from misinformation shared elsewhere which equates “estimated study completion dates” on clinical trial websites to the actual end dates of clinical trials.

For Pfizer, this estimated date is listed as Jan. 31, 2023 (bit.ly/3vvVPiz), while Moderna is Oct. 27, 2022 (bit.ly/3aSmb6y).
However, these dates do not mean clinical trials will continue for this long, and instead reference continued safety monitoring after the vaccine has been approved and rolled out, which is standard practice within the industry.
VERDICT
False. COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the U.S. and UK are not experimental and have all completed animal and clinical trials.
This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work   here  .
 

35% of English and Welsh farmers possibly/probably depressed

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Written by Michelle Martin from Agriland

The Royal Agricultural Benevolent Institution (RABI) has today, Thursday, October 14, published the findings of The Big Farming Survey, which shows 35% of English and Welsh farmers are either possibly or probably depressed.

The survey, based on over 15,000 responses, concentrates on the health and well-being of the farming community in England and Wales in the 2020s.

The Royal Agricultural Benevolent Institution (RABI) is a national charity that provides support to the farming community across England and Wales.

Mental health​


Mental well-being, the survey notes, describes our ability to cope with the ‘ups and downs’ of everyday life.

According to the survey, 14% of the farming community is ‘possibly depressed’ while...
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