MEP vote on glyphosate
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Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
Chlorsulfuron was first generation SU herbicide. It was marketed in UK in the period 1984 - 1988 - maybe slightly wrong with the dates but near enough - as a blackgrass herbicide, again if I recall co-formulated with metsulfuron methyl (Ally). It was withdrawn following adverse effects on subsequent crops, in particular sugar beet, alliums, roses and a few others that I cannot now recall. Du Pont paid compensation to affected users with following crop residue damage. Again if I recall Du Pont were still paying out into the 1990s for losses even though last usage was late 80's.
May I say I think banned is the wrong term in context as it was withdrawn by the manufacturer - banned tends to suggest a wider problem with the active rather than a specific issue which was slow degradation in a cooler European climate.
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- S E Glos
Finesse (damn good stuff) went the same way I believe
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- Owaka, New Zealand
Interesting, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what it is known here as.
Have been doing a little research on it while going around in circles.
For anyone interested in the saga http://www.agrigator.nz/2015/06/23/reporting-on-ht-swedes/
ollie989898
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Chlorsulfuron is old tech. From what I have read it was a bit persistent which is not ideal for SU compounds for obvious reasons.
There are a plethora of similar SUs which suffer the same problem.
There are a plethora of similar SUs which suffer the same problem.
yellow belly
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imho if gm crops were allowed and rr spring osr was introduced it would have a large take up as the biggest problem with spring osr is weeds if weed control could be certain it would have a low cos per tonne produced and a spring crop that eliminated charlock and grass weeds
my local bee farmer would also see his honey yield increase as his best yield come from borage and spring rape then late planted spring beans winter flowering crops do not produce much honey as the bee collonies are not strong enough for early flowering crops
the other crop that would have a big take up would be herbicide tolerant sugar beet 5 million acres grown in the usa 98% roundup ready
the varieties are available in other countries would just need testing and would be available quickly
all the problems with herbicide resistant weeds are from using rr crops every year
in the uk a notill rotation with rr osr would only have 1 crop year in 4 at the most and probably 1 in 6 here
I would then only grow I winter crop which would be wheat on 1/3 of my farm
the benefit to the environment would be massive 2/3 of my farm would have either overwinterd stubble or a cover crop
we now have an abundance or wild life since introducing spring crops
farmers in the uk have no choice in what they can grow regarding gm but most of our customers use food derived from gm crops
ollie989898
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Glufosinate-ammonium tolerant crops I would be in favour of. Not glyphosate tolerant.
why ?
ollie989898
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Two reasons.
Firstly, it is not such a widely used product which the entire industry relies upon heavily. We don't want glyphosate tolerant volunteers in our systems.
Secondly, it is contact only so it would demand a bit of professionalism in it's use. RR crops encourage very cavalier weed control such as spraying late and other daft ideas.
The fact it is more expensive as a product is of no consequence given the saving against conventional herbicides.
ollie989898
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There are lots of 'clearfield' crops, but we won't ever see them.
ollie989898
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Yep...I used to look after Clearfield spring wheat, sunflowers, Faba beans...
I'd love to try growing sunflowers.
With relative ease, just a case of knowing what to add to the glyphosate to kill the RR volunteers!
RR OSR in RR Soybeans - Add imazamox
RR OSR in RR Maize - Add bromoxynil
RR Maize in RR Soybeans/OSR - Add clethodim
RR volunteers in stubble - Add carfentrazone, 2,4-D
Obviously adding these 'extras' makes the herbicide mix suddenly a lot more expensive than just using glyphosate! I often had clients who refused to spray the RR OSR vols out of their soybeans because they felt it was too expensive.
ollie989898
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All becomes a madness, I have no issue with something like clearfield, but to focus an entire agronomic system around a key herbicide active that is used across so many situations, that is madness. Where do you stop? RR ryegrass so you can kill the grassland weeds easily?
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- Owaka, New Zealand
Obviously, the way forward is to simply aggravate North Korea and give them your coordinates. No more volunteers.
Wtf is wrong with farmers?
ollie989898
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Yes, but there would be some clever clogs who would not do what you have proposed and do everything you can imagine because they saw a clever easy shilling in it.
Bryan@Albaugh
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- Newmarket
IARC glyphosate