MEP vote on glyphosate

[Breakthru]

Not in the next 10 years

Personally I don't think, rightly or wrongly, it will make it past the next review.
Hope you are right though.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Personally I don't think, rightly or wrongly, it will make it past the next review.
Hope you are right though.

Eu review?

 

[Breakthru]

Eu review?

Yes but the way brexit isn't going we will be tied to whatever they decide as now.

 

[david]

A replacement for glyphosate has never been commercialised as if you were a manufacturer there is no incentive, as there is load of cheap glyphosate out there, and no one would buy your swankie new total herbicide to replace glyphosate (or buy enough of it to get your investment back).

The shareholders would not back your business case to commercialise a glyphosate replacement with an investment of what now £250, 000,000 to get it to market ?

But create a vacuum (take away glyphosate) and then you have a different business case.

 

[Right-arm fast]

They can retire too.

It wont happen anyway.

Interested, Why do you think it won’t happen. I hope it won’t!

Thing is if it goes to court someone is going to have to prove that it has caused cancer which is going to be very difficult indeed. So then if somehow they do, then are the agencies which pass glyphosate fit to use, like the European Commission also liable as they are there to protect the public and the environment and may have been negligent or could be accused of misfeasance perhaps.........

 

[SilliamWhale]

[QUOTE="Right-arm fast, post: 5298434, member: 2032"]Interested, Why do you think it won’t happen. I hope it won’t!

Thing is if it goes to court someone is going to have to prove that it has caused cancer which is going to be very difficult indeed. So then if somehow they do, then are the agencies which pass glyphosate fit to use, like the European Commission also liable as they are there to protect the public and the environment and may have been negligent or could be accused of misfeasance perhaps.........[/QUOTE]

Because I still don't think the science is there. And ultimately good quality science will win out. This is not like Neonics

 

[Farmer Roy]

 

[Breakthru]

Ref the US court case against Monsanto by a school groundsman etc etc claiming that Roundup gave them NHL cancer as reported in the Mail etc.
Here gents is your big chance. If you like me have bathed breathed and consumed Glyphosate regularly over the years, as recently as two months ago in very much stronger concentrations than field recs then we have a starting point.
A survey of farmers by this forum, NFU possibly by @GuySmith plus other agric publications on how many spray operators have or have died of NHL cancer.
In addition to myself my friend who is now 79 and sprayed for decades with no cab there have to be thousands of others who have inadvertently imbibed the product.
Out of the main users and applicators what percentage either have or have died from NHL cancer.
Bayer/Monsanto need all the help they can get if Glyphosate is not to be banned.
YOU need to play your part. The other option is SOYA do nothing and whinge when it gets bombed.
Glypho is a very big part of what a lot of you do on this forum so don't Sit On Your Ass get motivated and help with some factual info.

 

[shakerator]

Ref the US court case against Monsanto by a school groundsman etc etc claiming that Roundup gave them NHL cancer as reported in the Mail etc.
Here gents is your big chance. If you like me have bathed breathed and consumed Glyphosate regularly over the years, as recently as two months ago in very much stronger concentrations than field recs then we have a starting point.
A survey of farmers by this forum, NFU possibly by @GuySmith plus other agric publications on how many spray operators have or have died of NHL cancer.
In addition to myself my friend who is now 79 and sprayed for decades with no cab there have to be thousands of others who have inadvertently imbibed the product.
Out of the main users and applicators what percentage either have or have died from NHL cancer.
Bayer/Monsanto need all the help they can get if Glyphosate is not to be banned.
YOU need to play your part. The other option is SOYA do nothing and whinge when it gets bombed.
Glypho is a very big part of what a lot of you do on this forum so don't Sit On Your Ass get motivated and help with some factual info.

Your right the only other option is indeed SOYA ....(RR)

 

[Green oak]

Brazil have banned glyphosate. I’m let to believe. Via a Australian farming webpage.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Brazil have banned glyphosate. I’m let to believe. Via a Australian farming webpage.

Doubt it

 

[Green oak]

Doubt it

 

[E_B]

I see on Reuters they (well, one judge) have, subject to further reviews so it might only be a temporary ban. Hopefully.

 

[Breakthru]

I see on Reuters they (well, one judge) have, subject to further reviews so it might only be a temporary ban. Hopefully.

Lots of our friends/relatives die of cancer. Bearing in mind our excessive exposure to glyphosate how many do you know died of NHL Cancer?
I re-iterate my post above how many spray operators do you know who have died of NHL. SOYA and you lose it, speak up and you may save it.
GET Involved and do something to help YOURSELF rather than do an ostrich.
YOU personally and as an industry will not get a better last chance than this!
Sit with your thumb up your Ass and that's exactly what you will get.
Study my previous posts and you will see I was questioning Glypho and it's effects so I consider myself as very open to the argument from either view point.
This court case could be the nail you are not looking for so speak up very volubly even if it only delays the (wrong from your point of view) result.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Hope you chucked that in the bin. Bad science

 

[E_B]

Wow. Yesterday's judgement in San Francisco. It's over. Only a matter of time before glyphosate is gone now, in my opinion, given the difficulty it had in being reauthorised in this part of the world last time round. And I was of the thinking these lawsuits would ultimately be dismissed. I suppose appeal processes could still save this chemical but the damage is done and now we have judges and juries whose minds are made up, and the court of public opinion is decided. It's possible that Monsanto could settle thousands of lawsuits and update its directions of use to acknowledge improper use can 'cause cancer' but what company is going to persevere with a product under those circumstances? Although that would be the most convenient outcome for farmers, it wouldn't be popular amongst the public.

 

[clemmo]

Any links to what happened in the court case?

 

[bankrupt]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/10/monsanto-trial-cancer-dewayne-johnson-ruling

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6049007/Roundup-cancerous-jury-declares.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45154362

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...up-gave-him-cancer/ar-BBLM1fJ?ocid=spartandhp

https://www.newsweek.com/roundup-ca...red-pay-289-million-damages-1069429?piano_t=1

https://www.dailysabah.com/business...-to-gardener-who-claims-roundup-caused-cancer

https://www.agrimarketing.com/s/118752

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...l-groundskeeper-dewayne-johnson-a8487336.html

 

[Right-arm fast]

I don’t know either way, but I don’t know how they pinpointed glyphosate. As a groundsman he would have used a range of different pesticides and chemicals.

 

[quattro]

I was always led to believe everyone has it in their body it’s something what triggers it off (maybe not a good explanation)