Merkel has hours left to form a government

[wanton dwarf]

Germany had 2 days to form a government on November 15th using 3 seperate groups for the first time.


"Merkel has thus been left with no choice but to try and forge together an awkward alliance of environmentalists, a business party and arch conservatives from Bavaria. If it happens, it will be the first time a three-way coalition has ever been formed on the federal level of German politics."


This is an interesting part ... does this remind you of what David Davis has been saying all along ? Seems as though we have a 5th column in the UK actively undermining the UK ... strange I've been thinking the same for a long, long time ...


"Initially, party leaders engaged in sabre-rattling, publicly insulting one another while insisting loudly on certain core demands.

Recently though, the parties have started to make concessions. The Greens backed down on demands that Germany immediately shut down 20 coal power stations and started fudging pledges on ending petrol engines by 2030. The Free Democrats, meanwhile, dropped their demand for a €30 billion reduction in the tax burden."

https://www.thelocal.de/20171115/th...aking-german-coalition-talks-down-to-the-wire

 

[renewablejohn]

Where have you got the idea that the greens have backed down on the 20 coal power stations. Its only legislation keeping these old power stations open in economic terms there dinosaurs which need to be closed. Fortunately French nuclear is in a mess at the moment so at least Germany has an export market for these power stations.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Where have you got the idea that the greens have backed down on the 20 coal power stations. Its only legislation keeping these old power stations open in economic terms there dinosaurs which need to be closed. Fortunately French nuclear is in a mess at the moment so at least Germany has an export market for these power stations.

If they are dinosaurs why are all the leading economies using them to generate power ? If they were dinosaurs they would never have been used in the first place.

I think you are just quoting UK "Climate Change" legislation & environmentalist dogma not real facts on the ground.

You're not in a position to say Coal needs to be closed down either.

 

[Ashtree]

If they are dinosaurs why are all the leading economies using them to generate power ? If they were dinosaurs they would never have been used in the first place.

I think you are just quoting UK "Climate Change" legislation & environmentalist dogma not real facts on the ground.

You're not in a position to say Coal needs to be closed down either.

What planet do you live on?
Coal is over. Done. Dusted. Finite. Finished. Kaput.
There may be some plants still in action but there will be no investments to sustain them. They have already been overtaken by renewable energy plants on a cost per kw basis.
RIP coal!

 

[jendan]

What planet do you live on?
Coal is over. Done. Dusted. Finite. Finished. Kaput.
There may be some plants still in action but there will be no investments to sustain them. They have already been overtaken by renewable energy plants on a cost per kw basis.
RIP coal!

Except in China.

 

[renewablejohn]

If they are dinosaurs why are all the leading economies using them to generate power ? If they were dinosaurs they would never have been used in the first place.

I think you are just quoting UK "Climate Change" legislation & environmentalist dogma not real facts on the ground.

You're not in a position to say Coal needs to be closed down either.

King coal was the industrial revolution with all the pollution that entailed. Its no longer acceptable to mass slaughter your population via smog which is why the worlds largest coal user is taking drastic steps to reduce its coal usage by using renewables instead.

Actually quoting the German report in respect of the 20 plants slated for closure only affecting the export market.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/11/1...oal-plants-without-creating-energy-shortages/
As for not being in a position to say coal needs to be closed down. I think everyone has the right to clean air.

 

[renewablejohn]

Except in China.

Think you must be looking at different news reports for China to the ones I see.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-end-of-coal-is-near-china-just-scrapped-103-power-plants

They have even banned coal use in some cities for this winter converting the coal boilers to gas instead.

 

[baabaa]

What planet do you live on?
Coal is over. Done. Dusted. Finite. Finished. Kaput.
There may be some plants still in action but there will be no investments to sustain them. They have already been overtaken by renewable energy plants on a cost per kw basis.
RIP coal!

tell that to the poles
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-fuel-Beata-Szyd-o-showdown-climate-change-eu

 

[Ashtree]

tell that to the poles
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-fuel-Beata-Szyd-o-showdown-climate-change-eu

Poles don't count.

Here for the facts ............... coal is fekked https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-15/nothing-trump-does-can-save-coal

 

[baabaa]

Poles don't count.

Here for the facts ............... coal is fekked https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-11-15/nothing-trump-does-can-save-coal

down the pub tell the poles they dont count

 

[Danllan]

What planet do you live on?
Coal is over. Done. Dusted. Finite. Finished. Kaput... RIP coal!

But peat is alright for a bit longer... .

Poles don't count...

How very German of you... .

 

[renewablejohn]

tell that to the poles
https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-fuel-Beata-Szyd-o-showdown-climate-change-eu

Once the UK goes the EU will no longer be able to afford the coal subsidy to the likes of Poland. Instead they will have to accept the market forces of cheap renewable energy or be left behind. Its been suggested Nuclear will replace coal in Poland but that boat sailed 5 years ago when renewable became the cheapest form of energy.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Except in China.

And Germany, USA, India ... infact all the major economies

 

[wanton dwarf]

King coal was the industrial revolution with all the pollution that entailed. Its no longer acceptable to mass slaughter your population via smog which is why the worlds largest coal user is taking drastic steps to reduce its coal usage by using renewables instead.

Actually quoting the German report in respect of the 20 plants slated for closure only affecting the export market.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/11/1...oal-plants-without-creating-energy-shortages/
As for not being in a position to say coal needs to be closed down. I think everyone has the right to clean air.

Coal doesnt mass slaughter your population

Stop quoting what is obviously a load of Environmentalist rubbish

If we have a "Right to clean air" then why do we have housing, schools, hospitals next to motorways ? In fact whilst we are at it ... why do we have so many people living in cities cheek by jowl polluting the environment because so many of them are living in the same place at the same time

There is practically no pollution in the countryside, quite the reverse in fact, yet countryside people not only have to pay taxes because of City dwellers problems - country peoples lifestyles actually reverse pollution City dwellers have created

Why do we have to put up with pollution City dwellers have created if we have a "Right" or is this just another environmental load of rubbish again

 

[Ashtree]

Coal doesnt mass slaughter your population

Stop quoting what is obviously a load of Environmentalist rubbish

If we have a "Right to clean air" then why do we have housing, schools, hospitals next to motorways ? In fact whilst we are at it ... why do we have so many people living in cities cheek by jowl polluting the environment because so many of them are living in the same place at the same time

There is practically no pollution in the countryside, quite the reverse in fact, yet countryside people not only have to pay taxes because of City dwellers problems - country peoples lifestyles actually reverse pollution City dwellers have created

Why do we have to put up with pollution City dwellers have created if we have a "Right" or is this just another environmental load of rubbish again

Crikey ...... imaging the planning chaos when Henry VIII powers are used to evict all the dirty city dwellers and send them to live in the Shires

 

[renewablejohn]

And Germany, USA, India ... infact all the major economies

India has stopped expansion of coal plants in the next 5 year plan with expansion being renewables.

http://www.powermag.com/india-to-freeze-coal-construction-focus-on-expanding-renewables/

 

[baabaa]

India has stopped expansion of coal plants in the next 5 year plan with expansion being renewables.

http://www.powermag.com/india-to-freeze-coal-construction-focus-on-expanding-renewables/

meanwhile
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...er-plants-on-tuesday/articleshow/61665909.cms

 

[renewablejohn]

meanwhile
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...er-plants-on-tuesday/articleshow/61665909.cms

Does help if you understand the story behind the headline instead of taking the story out of context.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...o-haunt-power-plants/articleshow/60228529.cms

 

[renewablejohn]

Coal doesnt mass slaughter your population

Stop quoting what is obviously a load of Environmentalist rubbish

If we have a "Right to clean air" then why do we have housing, schools, hospitals next to motorways ? In fact whilst we are at it ... why do we have so many people living in cities cheek by jowl polluting the environment because so many of them are living in the same place at the same time

There is practically no pollution in the countryside, quite the reverse in fact, yet countryside people not only have to pay taxes because of City dwellers problems - country peoples lifestyles actually reverse pollution City dwellers have created

Why do we have to put up with pollution City dwellers have created if we have a "Right" or is this just another environmental load of rubbish again

Think you may need to get out more. Maybe spend a week in any of the many Chinese smog filled cities and then ask yourself whether they have a problem burning coal.
Yes I am fortunate living in the green damp Lancashire but that does not mean when I go to London I cannot feel and see the pollution.

 

[rob1]

If renewables are so cheap to produce why do they get such huge subs ? Coal needs to be reduced to control pollution