Metal detecting help

[lee2503]

Good evening,

Iam looking for a few kind farmers that are willing to give me a chance.
I'm new to the metal detecting hobby and have no permissions has yet.

I have read recently that a lot of farmers have gone off metal detecting due to theives and night hawkers.
Iam not either and I'm fully registered with the national
Council I have the public liability insurance to 10,000,000.
I'm ideally looking for farms in the leeds West Yorkshire area but I would consider others especially if they are located on old land.if you already have metal detectors on your land that's fine I'm not looking for sole permissions.
All finds will be shown and anything valuable will be split and a full contract from me will be supplied.
If treasure is found under the treasure act it will be handed in has per the law.

In return I can offer.
Cleaning of your land of rubbish and waste whilst detecting.
General labouring ie fixing fences ect I don't mind mucking in maybe bailing hay or moving it.
Any other duties I could help with for free of course.

I can supply
Ncmd number
Insurance certificate
Photo id with home address
Criminal record disclosure.
I don't dig big holes and they are filled in properly.
Can do any type of land.
If any of you feel you could give me a try please pm me or message back on this thread.

Thanks for looking

Lee

 

[TripleSix]

Giggle

 

[lee2503]

@TripleSix

At least I made u laugh must of made your day.

Can only be honest and try m8

 

[suffolksmallholder]

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index...or-metal-detecting.15526/page-36#post-2839632
This'll keep you entertained for a while.

SS

 

[lee2503]

Yeh I think I read the whole thread kept me amused for a hour or so.
I get the feeling farmers really don't like metal detecting.
It's a shame really because there must be some really good finds out there.

 

[HAM135]

I don't understand why detectorists don't just offer to pay farmers to use there land,can't think of any other hobbies that you can just go onto someones premises for nothing.
Our farm is on the site of Nechtansmere which is quite a famous scottish battle,throughout the years we have had a lot of detectorists going over it with little thanks,had a chap bring a few different groups out occasionally and i have the feeling he was charging them for the privilege,i don't let any on now!

 

[Farmer996]

I've had a few on my land which is near Hadrian's Wall (Scottish side). They've been OK and respectful of the property but it's a bit of a hassle organising times, showing them where to go, keeping an eye on them, explaining to other people what's going on, discussing 'finds', etc. I've decided that if anyone else asks, I'll charge a small fee. Question is, what's reasonable?

 

[TripleSix]

Yeh I think I read the whole thread kept me amused for a hour or so.
I get the feeling farmers really don't like metal detecting.
It's a shame really because there must be some really good finds out there.

The problem being is its the usual story of the minority spoiling it for the majority.

People taking the pee.
Asking for "me and my mate to come detecting"
Then 25 turn up.

Or they come back un invited... Etc etc

Not to tar all with the same brush, I know not everyone is the same, just some.

Nobody wants hassle...

 

[lee2503]

Thanks for some constructive replies.
And believe it or not been new to this hobby I tend to agree with what your saying.
Your right the minority do spoil it for the hobbiest.and I would not want people turning up mob handed and urinating on my land running wild all over the place.
From my point of view it cost me £350 for a basic machine some run in to thousands but I bought one which was easy to use for a beginner,then if I was to travel say to Scotland I would incur fuel either way
To and from leeds then most probably accomadation.
So to say it's a free hobby is not correct.i would however be happy to pay a small donation to any farmer for there time.but has already mentioned what would that ammount be to keep all sides happy.bearing in mind most finds if not tin foil maybe old roman coins are pretty worthless for profit.they are just history that's worth saving and showing to the future generations.better than been in the ground I suppose.maybe the jackpot could be hit though has it has been before.if I wanted to gain financially I would hit the beaches every weekend and hope I find a load of lost valuables.
I would not operate with a group and bring masses of people I maybe would bring my teenage daughter occasionally.
I have heard of group meetings on other forums where they camp and stuff and I'm sure the farmer gets paid but I have never been on one.in fairness getting info out of the metal detecting lads is like getting blood out of stones.
Like I said in my first post I was willing to spend time working for privileges I suppose it's a trust thing but I would muck in and do what was needed.i used to help out on a farm many years back has a kid and I only loaded the barns up with hay for the animals for winter and it was really hard sweaty work so I know it's hard graft. I would approach that farm but the farmer was 60-70 then and that was 20 year ago.
Like I said I'm looking for somewhere ideally local to me leeds area then trust can be built. I wouldn't say I need monitoring ect I have a bright yellow detector I can be seen for miles.i wouldn't want to disturb and pop in for tea unannounced and I certainly would not be urniating all over . I would just need to know what fields where ok to detect and which u didn't want me in. And also any that had any bulls in ect.
But if a small charge was involved I can't see it been a problem.what ever is best suited by all parties.
I'm open to offers

 

[lee2503]

Just to update the thread a little.
I cold called around 50 farms tonight around leeds area. The ones that did answer was all no .
I then tried a few fro the York area and they were most helpfull with a few promising to call back when the farmer has finished work.
I had a interesting chat with a lady who told me tockwith is the area to go.so if there are any farmers on here from that area that would be willing please get in touch hopefully we can come to a agreement.

 

[Farmer996]

Maybe £5 per person per hour would cover it? Refundable if you hit the jackpot.

Not all farms are the same. We don't have livestock/crops. We run a small livery yard (7 acres) so it's fairly easy for one person to keep on top of. I rarely need outside help. No bulls or hay barns here. Just a few horses.

I'm also nearer Newcastle. The Scottish border has changed since Hadrians Wall was built. It's probably an hour or so from Leeds - if you don't get any better offers.

 

[Tonka]

Just to update the thread a little.
I cold called around 50 farms tonight around leeds area. The ones that did answer was all no .
I then tried a few fro the York area and they were most helpfull with a few promising to call back when the farmer has finished work.
I had a interesting chat with a lady who told me tockwith is the area to go.so if there are any farmers on here from that area that would be willing please get in touch hopefully we can come to a agreement.

Aye, well Tockwith is next door to Marston Moor, which was a huge battlefield site during the Civil War....plenty of musket balls, no doubt.

 

[JCMaloney]

I don't understand why detectorists don't just offer to pay farmers to use there land,can't think of any other hobbies that you can just go onto someones premises for nothing.
Our farm is on the site of Nechtansmere which is quite a famous scottish battle,throughout the years we have had a lot of detectorists going over it with little thanks,had a chap bring a few different groups out occasionally and i have the feeling he was charging them for the privilege,i don't let any on now!

We pay. And we have had success through being on TFF & contributing to random debates as well. In fact we are pillaging (and paying!) a TFFer this Sunday..... equates to £600 for the day, landowner has only had to meet me (a bonus!! lol) and thats it. We do the "management" on the day. We provide a "control point", bins for scrap, marshals for parking, printed maps, point of contact for hoards/bombs/bodies etc. Its fairly simple and if any organiser tells you they are "taking a %/fee for organising then don`t touch them with a barge pole.
I`ve heard of folk charging attendees £15 and giving the farmer £8 or less, not counting how many turn up etc etc. At the end of the day its your land and you are the legal owner of ANY find.

 

[YorkshireAndrew]

Some of these detecting groups spoil it for themselves , next door had a large group across a few years ago & quite a few strayed onto our patch despite having a field map . He's now stopped them detecting on his fields .

 

[Hightower73]

Hello, sorry to jump on your thread but I am also a newbie to metal detecting having only done beach work.

It's very interesting to hear of the experiences other farmers have had from groups that are supposed to be the good guys, yet tend to go way and beyond what they are supposed to be doing and destroying the reputation for others.

I can fully understand why as land owners, everyone would be put off and not allow anyone on thier land, and to be very honest can really understand why so many try the past time and then give up.

Inland detecting is the ultimate goal for any detectoriest, beach work is all well and good for beginners as the finds tend to be very modern and also very junky ( cans, buried bbq's, left toys and the like ). However saying that, its now impossible to find a virgin beach anywhere, and on my experiences, I have to share the beach with other detectoriest and they can be quite nasty and divide the beach up amoung themselves.

So trying to get a foot hold to even start is a nightmare, the local councils won't allow it, and night hawkers are just plain scum in my book. So were typically stranded to beaches that have now been detected to death.

To me it's a very catch 22 situation for everyone concerned, the farmers are not wanting to be out of pocket with damages caused and finds not being handed over and generally mistreated because of a few idiots, but the newbies can't start an interesting hobby because of them few and as the saying goes for the farmers, once bitten twice shy.

I don't think thier can be any easy solution to this except meeting people face to face, when we think not so many years ago, things were so different. Modern day upbringings have a lot to answer to. Respect always goes a long way and those people that spoil it for others need to learn this very basic and lets be honest, FREE skill.

 

[lee2503]

@Farmer996

Just a thought for you if you are wanting to earn money from it (which I don't blame you in the slightest)
Have you tried to contact lets go digging. Com? Google it and see if they would want to arrange something with you they do rallies and the like.
You wouldn't earn much from me been a one man band I'm not a member of a group.
But if I don't get any success from anywhere local I might have to take the plunge and come up, it's nice to meet people and at least you have offered which most that have posted or read have not so thanks for that.

 

[lee2503]

@YorkshireAndrew

Hi your more my way by the sound of your username would you be interested in allowing me on your land? Or would you know anyone that would local?
I can't stress enough that I'm legit and don't bring a team of guys- I would work by myself and share all findings.
I would be willing to drive and meet you or any other farmers for a face to face chat and haggle a deal out draw a contract up and show my paper work if your happy then detect on dates agreed afterwards.
I knew it would be hard work getting permissions but I'm starting to loose sleep over it now lol.
Like I have said I would say I'm a down to earth legit detector and I'm open to having conditions met in order to gain a permission.

 

[lee2503]

@JCMaloney

Would I be correct in saying you run a detecting group?
Where you pay the farmer and charge the detectorist? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's a bad idea
If all parties are happy!
When you agree a deal does that make all findings that day yours or the detectorists? Does the farmer still get a cut? Reason I ask is what would happen I something valuable came out of the ground?
Can you also pass on details of your group has I may not have a choice but to join one.

Thanks

Lee

 

[lee2503]

@Hightower73

That's a excellent post you have made and it sort I goes to show the trust issues we have getting permissions I have even had to resort showing a criminal disclosure to try and convince people I'm worth a shot.
I have been informed on another forum that a good way to get a permission would be to go to a local village pub and try and get talking to a few farmers that way (I really don't want to knock on doors and put people on the spot) so that's me this weekend will be driving round a few pubs localish drinking coke of course! And see where I get.if no success I may have to take time off work and do during the week.
Someone somewhere has got to give you a chance eventually lots of others seem to have permissions. Just not us new guys.

 

[JCMaloney]

@JCMaloney

Would I be correct in saying you run a detecting group?
Where you pay the farmer and charge the detectorist? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying it's a bad idea
If all parties are happy!
When you agree a deal does that make all findings that day yours or the detectorists? Does the farmer still get a cut? Reason I ask is what would happen I something valuable came out of the ground?
Can you also pass on details of your group has I may not have a choice but to join one.

Thanks

Lee

Actually Lee I run a club, it is the oldest established metal detecting club in the UK, established in 1968.
We mostly raise funds for either the landowners charity (MacMillan,Teenage Cancer Trust, Rotary Club, DLR Air Ambulance and many others) the Clubs current local charity (Rainbows Childrens Hospice) or the money goes to the landowner, 100% nothing creamed off. If you are taking 30+ folk onto somebody elses land there has to be a benefit for all involved.
Finds are the landowners legal property, we show them everything we find and deal with Treasure as the law dictates.
Most landowners allow the attendees to keep the mostly low value finds.
We then produce a report of all the finds once they have been recorded on the Portable Antiquities Scheme database.
Our club is accountable, we have a committee and publish annual accounts to the members. We don`t take anything from the digs, our service is free. The members subscriptions and appetite for tea & cake at club nights pays for our speakers and room hire.