Metaldehyde to be withdrawn for outdoor uses

Bogweevil

Member
The reason for withdrawal was given as harm to wildlife NOT water issues. We have been told for years that metaldehyde was safe for wildlife if used as directed, but apparently not.
 

radar

Member
Mixed Farmer
Been using Ferric phosphate for the last 3 years on headlands/ margins, and when instructing local pellet contractor that was what was wanted, replied " no-one else does"!
 
using ferric phosphate here now as leaving headlands without met on smaller fields is not practical
the cost of the cheapest met is less but thet do not last very long so need more repeat doses

ferric also does not need a pa4
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
using ferric phosphate here now as leaving headlands without met on smaller fields is not practical
the cost of the cheapest met is less but thet do not last very long so need more repeat doses

ferric also does not need a pa4

Ferric phosphate certainly does need a PA1 and PA4 (G) certificate. It is a pesticide, unless you can find me a formulation that is not a pesticide. Sluxx, Ironmax Pro & Derrex all have MAPP numbers. Here's the link to the search, or let me know what product you're using & I'll look it up for you. https://secure.pesticides.gov.uk/pestreg/prodsearch.asp
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Been using Ferric phosphate for the last 3 years on headlands/ margins, and when instructing local pellet contractor that was what was wanted, replied " no-one else does"!

That, ladies & gentlemen, is one of the reasons that we keep seeing pesticides banned. The Voluntary Initiative has helped the ag industry come a long way from where it was before but this kind of abuse does us no favours whatsoever :banghead:

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https://www.nfuonline.com/cross-sec...-an-update-from-the-water-companies-26-10-18/

Yes, I know water wasn't the explicit reason for the ban but I somehow doubt the water companies will have fought to help save it.
 

Happy

Member
Location
Scotland
TBH this product was banned on a whim. If Gove was concerned about wildlife he’d have done a whole lot of other stuff first.

This will just be the start though.

You don’t get a founding member of the Green Party and prominent environmentalist appointed to the board of Defra in return for donating funding towards Mr Gove’s constinuency election campaign without any further payback do you?

We are just pawns in the game.
 

fudge

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire.
This will just be the start though.

You don’t get a founding member of the Green Party and prominent environmentalist appointed to the board of Defra in return for donating funding towards Mr Gove’s constinuency election campaign without any further payback do you?

We are just pawns in the game.
I’m sure you are right harmful products will be removed from the list speedily. One of the benefits of Brexit.
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
I’m sure you are right harmful products will be removed from the list speedily. One of the benefits of Brexit.

The trouble is, by the time we finally diverge from adopting their rules to keep frictionless trade, most of the pesticides may have gone :cry:
 

shakerator

Member
Location
LINCS
I think Sluxx says that it doesn't use any chelating agents. Other brands do.

It doesn’t have EDTA
Probably EDDS

It can’t work without them as the iron isn’t soluble .

Iron phosphate was banned by EU as food additive in 2009. Sluxx appears by magic months later !!

Absolute joke huge hole in regulatory system.
Ie chelator on its own “inert” not subject to regulation. Added to “active ingredient” it becomes critical but no need to mention etc
 
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Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
It doesn’t have EDTA
Probably EDDS

It can’t work without them as the iron isn’t soluble .

Iron phosphate was banned by EU as food additive in 2009. Sluxx appears by magic months later !!

Absolute joke huge hole in regulatory system.
Ie chelator on its own “inert” not subject to regulation. Added to “active ingredient” it becomes critical but no need to mention etc

EDDS is still recognised as a chelating agent, not sure what is in Sluxx difficult to track down
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
The trouble is, by the time we finally diverge from adopting their rules to keep frictionless trade, most of the pesticides may have gone :cry:

I take it from your post you intimate the EU will have the more draconian approach?! If so I have a suspicion that it is more likely once UK takes back control (to use the mantra) the UK government, particularly if Mr Gove et al are still in charge at Defra may prove more draconian and we shall become familiar with immediate withdrawl of prodcuts/actives. But who knows maybe the opposite may happen as UK becomes a low regulation, free market, devil may care economy.

Time will tell.
 

Guy Smith

Member
Location
Essex
I take it from your post you intimate the EU will have the more draconian approach?! If so I have a suspicion that it is more likely once UK takes back control (to use the mantra) the UK government, particularly if Mr Gove et al are still in charge at Defra may prove more draconian and we shall become familiar with immediate withdrawl of prodcuts/actives. But who knows maybe the opposite may happen as UK becomes a low regulation, free market, devil may care economy.

Time will tell.

That's is a key point. This is not an EU ban but a UK one. Metaldehyde remains authorised in 21 EU countries including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
 

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