Methane : Care for Planet Earth

[NewFarmerSW1]

Where are the NFU saying this? As I said on a different thread, it’s driven me nuts listening to radio 2 news all day with everyone who wants to stick the boot into the livestock industry being given a platform, but nothing is said to counter it. This may be due to BBC bias, but I suspect it’s jusy as much the fault of industry bodies not putting our side of the story over. I don’t just mean the NFU, but AHDB, Pasture for Life, Soil Association, OF&G etc.
There are some unpalatable truths the all consumers need to learn about food, mainly that ALL food impacts on the environment: methane from livestock and animals die, soil erosion from plant based food and animals die, food miles and rainforest destruction for most vegan proteins, and animals die. As Northeastfarmer so eloquently puts it, there are simply too many humans. Add to this the amount of carbon released from centuries of being locked underground, and we have a bit of an issue.

news 24 tv / internet about 4pm GMT today Ms Batters

 

[NewFarmerSW1]

news 24 tv / internet about 4pm GMT today Ms Batters

thats BBC main news

 

[Henarar]

And I wish they would be more clear and honest and simply say that the amount of livestock needs to be reduced rather than we should reduce eating meat.

No the livestock are not the problem
Given the number of years ruminants have been busy chewing away on this planet minding their own bloody business if they were going to cause global warming they would have bloody well done it by now and we would all be sizzling away quite nicely,
Just stand back and think about it for a bit and its bloody obvious

 

[NewFarmerSW1]

I think you’ll find there is a body of evidence that will supersede that,someone more tech savvy will be along I’m sure to provide a link.
Evidence Range Rovers:
Yes there are a few at a few showsre far more floating about SW1.

thanks for that prediction
when the evidence is produced I will consider it
[but I bet my bottom dollar there a....] just working with facts and reports not bets i find best... there are reports
betting is also under scrutiny as a scurge on some people

 

[Jackov Altraids]

No the livestock are not the problem
Given the number of years ruminants have been busy chewing away on this planet minding their own bloody business if they were going to cause global warming they would have bloody well done it by now and we would all be sizzling away quite nicely,
Just stand back and think about it for a bit and its bloody obvious

I didn't say they were a problem.
They say we need to reduce eating meat but I believe the methane releases will be greater from the act of eating lentils and beans than from a steak.
Their supposition is that if we eat less animals, there will be fewer roaming the land to produce methane. It is obvious that the PR advice is to say eat less meat RATHER than keep less animals which is what they actually mean.

 

[NewFarmerSW1]

No the livestock are not the problem
Given the number of years ruminants have been busy chewing away on this planet minding their own bloody business if they were going to cause global warming they would have bloody well done it by now and we would all be sizzling away quite nicely,
Just stand back and think about it for a bit and its bloody obvious

as long as you are happy with that answer thats great..... i aint

 

[Muddyroads]

Which takes me nicely back to your opening post. Firstly, I don’t make big profits in the way that you stated, and secondly your comment about being responsible for over supply and producing excess methane through bad management don’t apply by your own admission. This demonstrates that sweeping statements, tarring all farmers and production methods with the same brush is wrong.
Let me set you the same dilemma that I currently have. Without BPS and Mid Tier, we wouldn’t be able to pay the rent, despite managing the ground as you would wish. The price of our produce will not rise as its politically unpalatable and world prices dictate what we get. Next week I have a meeting to discuss the viability of growing some veg. This is likely to reduce the amount of carbon in the soil, but won’t produce as much methane (until the humans eat my produce!) Which would you do?

 

[Henarar]

as long as you are happy with that answer thats great..... i aint

Frankly I don't give a dam if you can't open your eyes and see

 

[Muddyroads]

thats BBC main news

Real prime time viewing then!

 

[Jackov Altraids]

as long as you are happy with that answer thats great..... i aint

It is easy to search the 'net for the answer you want.
To find an accurate answer is somewhat more tricky.

 

[NewFarmerSW1]

Farmers actually profit more when their cattle produce less methane due to them growing faster or converting more efficiently

yes thats good

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Frankly I don't give a dam if you can't open your eyes and see

Part of the "being able to see" bit is looking for the motives behind the UN's lovely IPCC, an organisation so bent that they can't see what is in front of them

 

[NewFarmerSW1]

It is easy to search the 'net for the answer you want.
To find an accurate answer is somewhat more tricky.

It is easy to search the 'net for the answer you want.
To find an accurate answer is somewhat more tricky.

thanks for the advice. i will try looking for answers on the net at some point

 

[curlietailz]

There are loads more humans on the planet
Every human exhales carbon dioxide every minute of every day
More humans= more carbon in the atmosphere

I think we need less humans

 

[NewFarmerSW1]

Which takes me nicely back to your opening post. Firstly, I don’t make big profits in the way that you stated, and secondly your comment about being responsible for over supply and producing excess methane through bad management don’t apply by your own admission. This demonstrates that sweeping statements, tarring all farmers and production methods with the same brush is wrong.
Let me set you the same dilemma that I currently have. Without BPS and Mid Tier, we wouldn’t be able to pay the rent, despite managing the ground as you would wish. The price of our produce will not rise as its politically unpalatable and world prices dictate what we get. Next week I have a meeting to discuss the viability of growing some veg. This is likely to reduce the amount of carbon in the soil, but won’t produce as much methane (until the humans eat my produce!) Which would you do?

yes sounds difficult, and you are not making any profit by sounds of it. prices are in essence politically rigged and
factors beyond uk shores effect prices
because i dont follow why ....A month before the referendum, 58 per cent of farmers in the UK were backing Brexit, with 30 per cent wanting to remain. ... after the vote 53 per cent said they had voted Leave.
Sixty per cent of Scots farmers did not vote No, for Brexit
So Farmers say Leave. [ clearly]

So it could be concluded farmers are
happy with trading on WTO terms to an even higher degree than the average UK citizen. thats worse isnt it.?

 

[NewFarmerSW1]

Part of the "being able to see" bit is looking for the motives behind the UN's lovely IPCC, an organisation so bent that they can't see what is in front of them

what do you think UN IPCC motive is?

 

[NewFarmerSW1]

There are loads more humans on the planet
Every human exhales carbon dioxide every minute of every day
More humans= more carbon in the atmosphere

I think we need less humans

ultimately climate change should sort that out

 

[Jackov Altraids]

yes sounds difficult, and you are not making any profit by sounds of it. prices are in essence politically rigged and
factors beyond uk shores effect prices
because i dont follow why ....A month before the referendum, 58 per cent of farmers in the UK were backing Brexit, with 30 per cent wanting to remain. ... after the vote 53 per cent said they had voted Leave.
Sixty per cent of Scots farmers did not vote No, for Brexit
So Farmers say Leave. [ clearly]

So it could be concluded farmers are
happy with trading on WTO terms to an even higher degree than the average UK citizen. thats worse isnt it.?

That conclusion would be wrong.
Given that the largest portion of the EU budget goes on the CAP, farmers can see what a broken load of bullshite it is.
Farmers have always had to look at the long term. I don't believe temporary trading difficulties were a huge factor compared to having a country that could take decisions for itself.
I had been giving you the benefit of doubt but your ears & nose are getting longer and pointier all the time.

 

[NewFarmerSW1]

That conclusion would be wrong.
Given that the largest portion of the EU budget goes on the CAP, farmers can see what a broken load of bullshite it is.
Farmers have always had to look at the long term. I don't believe temporary trading difficulties were a huge factor compared to having a country that could take decisions for itself.
I had been giving you the benefit of doubt but your ears & nose are getting longer and pointier all the time.

well i did lift that data direct from national newspaper reports.

WTO trade would mean lower prices for Agri items wouldnt it

 

[marshbarn]

All the scientific evedence now seems to point to cows killing the planet, so what do we do to halt there behaviour, or should all cows be outlawed?