MF 165

[Cowabunga]

Zetor like a lot of other tractors had wet liners, the reason for different head gasket thickness was to compensate for the liner protrution above the block face. You fitted the liner and piston then with DTI find absolute TDC then use the DTI to measure the distance from top of block to top of liner and to double check that the liner was actually higher than the piston at TDC. If not then you would need to shim the liner. You then compared liner protrusion measurements with workshop nanual spec to tell you which of three different gaskets to fit. The beauty with Zetor, Same, Lamborghini, Hurlimann etc was single heads for each cylinder so each cylinder coukd be matched up with correct gasket.

Spot on. Since the actual head is dead flat, there is no need for a different gasket. As I said in an earlier post, it is the liner protrusion above the block, as measured by a dial gauge, that matters.
The air cooled Same engines have no liner of course, but shims are fitted at the base and top of the individual cylinder to raise or lower them relative to the pistons. It is the timing that gets complex on Same tractors.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Spot on. Since the actual head is dead flat, there is no need for a different gasket. As I said in an earlier post, it is the liner protrusion above the block, as measured by a dial gauge, that matters.
The air cooled Same engines have no liner of course, but shims are fitted at the base and top of the individual cylinder to raise or lower them relative to the pistons. It is the timing that gets complex on Same tractors.

The ones pre individual cam driven injector pumps!! The older ones from what I remember of Lasers etc didn’t have any timing marks for cam gear or idlers and cam needed setting with DTI on the follower to find the ’top’ of the lift with cylinder at TDC!

 

[bill and bens dad]

Perkins a 4 248 for sale on ebay item number 224 121 173 396, would fit

 

[multi power]

Its odd we had a 590 with a 248 and that started fine
We had a 690 turbo that started well and pulled like hell but the 698T we had after was better even though it had the smaller 236T engine in it

My 265 is a sluggish starter

 

[multi power]

I don't do any heavy work with tractor now but when I did I always let engine warm up first and when finished I shut it down for a few minutes before stopping
Also it is my opinion that really thick dirt on engine will act as insulation stopping a certain amount of heat getting out

Stockmen are not known for letting them warm up first

 

[Mur Huwcun]

If you're going to stick another perkins engine in it you might aswell stick a 1000-6 turbo in it!!! Think you'll need a 1080 back plate and maybe sump!!!

 

[Qman]

Would a Perkins 1004 engine fit a IH 475 without too much messing about?

 

[Mur Huwcun]

Would a Perkins 1004 engine fit a IH 475 without too much messing about?

How is the 212 fitted in the IH? Flat back engine and bolted on bellhousing adapter? You will need a stressed block for the IH therefore telehandler etc engine may not do

 

[Cowabunga]

How is the 212 fitted in the IH? Flat back engine and bolted on bellhousing adapter? You will need a stressed block for the IH therefore telehandler etc engine may not do

I think the main difference between handler and stressed versions would be the sump.

 

[Mur Huwcun]

I think the main difference between handler and stressed versions would be the sump.

Ideal if that’s all it is. I just remember someone in the know going on about it and fixed bellhousings

 

[two-cylinder]

perkins 212,some went well our neighbours smoked all the time !! he changed it for a 884,,that boiled on hard work,they are now jd, i have a 165 and a 50b digger ,same engine,the digger starts easy mostly without heat, the 165 has to be heated most times, luck of the draw ??
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The 50B changed from 4.212 to 4.236 in 1977.
Is your 50B a later one?
Our 50B with 4.236 starts really easily whatever the weather.

 

[bill and bens dad]

no its M reg same age as my 165