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[glasshouse]

You are right, it paid far too handsomely. However, i think it is a little unfair to blame English Estates for following the market. The intervention had been set up to prop up small continental farmers, working with perhaps 5- 10 hectare. They changed their growing schemes, combining land into big co op run farms which again were wall to wall corn. Meanwhile these farmers were working in factories with wages subsidised by the premium the co op gave back to them.

Correct, but the french farmers kept their land and benefitted from the eu money.
Unlike the british farmers

 

[Exfarmer]

Correct, but the french farmers kept their land and benefitted from the eu money.
Unlike the british farmers

British farms had been strutured very very differently to continental ones thanks do totally different laws of inheritance.
Uk farmers could and still do pass farms to a single inheritor ignoring other siblings. This is good for farming structure and had built very strong family farms. Whereas continental farms were continually sub divided with a resultant very high production cost, ensuring that they had no chance of survival on a world stage.
The EU was set up to protect this peasant farming structure across Europe, mainly to prevent mass unemployment if all these small farmers went bust too quickly. This was the reason the French were very shy of allowing the Uk and its totally different legal and land holding structure into the EU.
Since entry the UK has indeed been the driver particularly in the agricultural field to reform the European farming industry.

 

[glasshouse]

British farms had been strutured very very differently to continental ones thanks do totally different laws of inheritance.
Uk farmers could and still do pass farms to a single inheritor ignoring other siblings. This is good for farming structure and had built very strong family farms. Whereas continental farms were continually sub divided with a resultant very high production cost, ensuring that they had no chance of survival on a world stage.
The EU was set up to protect this peasant farming structure across Europe, mainly to prevent mass unemployment if all these small farmers went bust too quickly. This was the reason the French were very shy of allowing the Uk and its totally different legal and land holding structure into the EU.
Since entry the UK has indeed been the driver particularly in the agricultural field to reform the European farming industry.

Its actially got nothing to do with inheritance laws.
A french farmer cannot be evicted , therefore his landlord has no chance of getting him out and growing barley for intervention or whatever the current scam is.
The uk countryside has been devastated by subsidy led evictions since the 1973, france has avoided this.
In many uk areas there are no farmers left, just a handful of contractors charging about like idiots

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

I thought France has some sort of law about, a maximum amount of land you can farm run by the government to keep farmers in a small way and restrictions on buying/renting more and may of only been about 50 hectares, @czechmate

 

[czechmate]

I thought France has some sort of law about, a maximum amount of land you can farm run by the government to keep farmers in a small way and restrictions on buying/renting more and may of only been about 50 hectares, @czechmate

It’s not a strict law by any means. There is an agency called SAFER that all land sales have to go through. It is their job to do similar to what you say - keep farms smaller, certainly give young farmers a preference. However, they can only do this if they have a choice of buyers. In our own situation, we bought a second farm here, which certainly didn’t fit the agenda but there aren’t a lot of buyers here for the farms for sale at this point in time. The farm had been for sale for some time with no other serious buyers - the SAFER could not make the owner keep the farm, nor make him accept a much lower bid so they had to let us buy it. I. Other regions, the SAFER do have more influence but you can’t say it’s a rigid law...

 

[czechmate]

Going way off topic here, but...

I agree with the principle of what @glasshouse is saying. Worse, I see that people doing, just what we have done is part of the problem. I did have a very specific reason for buying the second farm (which I won’t go in to) which didn’t come into reality, so in fact, i would happily sell it again but the problem still exists, farms are not selling in this region. The reason for that being, that farming here IS like being back in the 70’s (small mixed farms) which I like and is a reason for being here, but the majority of the younger generation who have/are watching how their parents work, think “I don’t want that”

 

[glasshouse]

Going way off topic here, but...

I agree with the principle of what @glasshouse is saying. Worse, I see that people doing, just what we have done is part of the problem. I did have a very specific reason for buying the second farm (which I won’t go in to) which didn’t come into reality, so in fact, i would happily sell it again but the problem still exists, farms are not selling in this region. The reason for that being, that farming here IS like being back in the 70’s (small mixed farms) which I like and is a reason for being here, but the majority of the younger generation who have/are watching how their parents work, think “I don’t want that”

Well said
Trees are the latest scam here , with forty tenants on a certain estate losing the bulk of their land recently.
The land grabbing mentality has moved up a gear now with big operators offering £250 plus rent per acre.

 

[Exfarmer]

Its actially got nothing to do with inheritance laws.
A french farmer cannot be evicted , therefore his landlord has no chance of getting him out and growing barley for intervention or whatever the current scam is.
The uk countryside has been devastated by subsidy led evictions since the 1973, france has avoided this.
In many uk areas there are no farmers left, just a handful of contractors charging about like idiots

I know nothing of Scottish law, but I am not aware of any evictions in England. Certainly I bought a farm, where the landlord had bought out a bankrupt tenant, but the tenant still got , in my view undeserved compensation.
There are cases where newer fixed period tenancies have not been renewed , but if you took on a short term tenancy you cannot be surprised if it finishes after the term

 

[glasshouse]

I know nothing of Scottish law, but I am not aware of any evictions in England. Certainly I bought a farm, where the landlord had bought out a bankrupt tenant, but the tenant still got , in my view undeserved compensation.
There are cases where newer fixed period tenancies have not been renewed , but if you took on a short term tenancy you cannot be surprised if it finishes after the term

Typical one eyed landowner view.
Tenants are entitled to nothing except a kick in the teeth and a slop bucket poured over them arent they.
Bonkers subsidy schemes have resulted in tenants being forced out either by excessive rent demands or the tenancy not being re renewed

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Typical one eyed landowner view.
Tenants are entitled to nothing except a kick in the teeth and a slop bucket poured over them arent they.
Bonkers subsidy schemes have resulted in tenants being forced out either by excessive rent demands or the tenancy not being re renewed

landowners, can put the rent up as much as they want, but will only get what a tenant will pay, and nothing more, it's the demand for land from farmers and bidding high rents that's put it up, not landowners, you wrong,
you would not sell your grain to me for £60 a ton if you can get £120 elsewhere, but if you hold out for £180 a ton it won't sell, same goes for landowners,

 

[glasshouse]

landowners, can put the rent up as much as they want, but will only get what a tenant will pay, and nothing more, it's the demand for land from farmers and bidding high rents that's put it up, not landowners, you wrong,
you would not sell your grain to me for £60 a ton if you can get £120 elsewhere, but if you hold out for £180 a ton it won't sell, same goes for landowners,

Jeez, another one eye

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Jeez, another one eye

again you are wrong

 

[glasshouse]

again you are wrong

The landlord could set the rent lower if he chose, same as a house seller could accept a lower offer, but greed wins out every time

 

[Exfarmer]

Typical one eyed landowner view.
Tenants are entitled to nothing except a kick in the teeth and a slop bucket poured over them arent they.
Bonkers subsidy schemes have resulted in tenants being forced out either by excessive rent demands or the tenancy not being re renewed

Sorry, I am not a landlord in the normal perception of a landed person. I have never had truck with Landlord tenant system, coming from a long line of OO’s.
I cannot see why any person should own land just to let it to a tenant and really don’tbelieve it should be in the housing sector either.
However some choose to rent rather than buy, fair do’s. They would sooner pary a rent than a b**** great mortgage, don’t complain if some comes along and offers more, just the same as taking the best offer for your corn, milk, beef, sheep etc, the landlord will take what ever he feels the best for him.

 

[glasshouse]

Sorry, I am not a landlord in the normal perception of a landed person. I have never had truck with Landlord tenant system, coming from a long line of OO’s.
I cannot see why any person should own land just to let it to a tenant and really don’tbelieve it should be in the housing sector either.
However some choose to rent rather than buy, fair do’s. They would sooner pary a rent than a b**** great mortgage, don’t complain if some comes along and offers more, just the same as taking the best offer for your corn, milk, beef, sheep etc, the landlord will take what ever he feels the best for him.

Fair enough, but enlightened countries like france restrict the rent landlords can charge and dont allow leases to be ended.
I dont think anyone ever "chooses to rent" its a question of affordability.
Anyway, this is way off topic

 

[Massey510s]

She's not coming out to play this summer because of a leaky cross auger under the grain tank (was going to get sleeved last winter, but time moves so quickly these days!)
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Hi there just signed up to the forum , ever since I sold you the 500 I’ve regretted selling it , I’ve only got the two 510 machines left now ,so looking for another machine to make up the set of three again.

 

[Exfarmer]

Hi there just signed up to the forum , ever since I sold you the 500 I’ve regretted selling it , I’ve only got the two 510 machines left now ,so looking for another machine to make up the set of three again. View attachment 833611

Looks in great shape, is she auto table?

 

[essexpete]

Jeez, another one eye

What tosh and bordering offensive.