Micro Abattoir

[DrWazzock]

Is such a thing possible or is it a non starter?

I can get hold of the staff and the vet but need a minimalist design for the premises.

For cattle, sheep and pigs.

Starting from scratch, could the whole thing be fabricated from stainless steel?

 

[Gulli]

Think the raft of paperwork would make it a non starter. Interested to see what you come up with though I have considered it in the past

 

[DrWazzock]

Where do I look to find statutory requirements and regulations pertaining to the layout and other requirements of the premises?

Is there any department where you can speak to somebody to give you a run down without having to wade through reams of paperwork.

 

[Gulli]

http://www.crofting.org/uploads/news/abattoir_report.pdf
Interesting link...
Food standards agency might be able to help possibly environmental health, Not sure who's responsibility it is

@Old Boar ?






Mod note:fixed link

 

[Old Boar]

All abattoirs are overseen by the State Veterinary Service who are responsible for ensuring the welfare of animals prior to slaughter, and the Meat Hygiene Service, who are responsible for ensuring that the meat is fit for public consumption. The vets present are employed by the MHS (well, they have a badge on their coats!). I have got the impression that the abattoir does not have a say in what vet turns up.
They like stainless steel, but I think the walls can be coated with that heavy smooth plastic sheeting (with no gap behind for creepy crawlies to live).
Worth contacting you local EHO and having a chat - they will know the ins and outs, and if not, who to contact.
We need more small abattoirs - local meat for local people.

 

[JD-Kid]

for home kill or retail ?? think the rules maybe diffrent
3 diffrent breeds will rase your costs alot due to handleing rail hight etc etc

years ago worked on a pet food outfit 40 foot semi trailer made in to killing plant the amount of hoops and high jumps was a killer for the guy infact he had to built it 3 times so make sure you get all the dunks in a row before starting to make sure they will sign it off

 

[unlacedgecko]

for home kill or retail ?? think the rules maybe diffrent
3 diffrent breeds will rase your costs alot due to handleing rail hight etc etc

years ago worked on a pet food outfit 40 foot semi trailer made in to killing plant the amount of hoops and high jumps was a killer for the guy infact he had to built it 3 times so make sure you get all the dunks in a row before starting to make sure they will sign it off

For home kill in the UK no abbottoir is required. But only the animals owners and his immediate household can eat the meat. Not even guests can have any, and the meat can't be given away...

 

[JD-Kid]

For home kill in the UK no abbottoir is required. But only the animals owners and his immediate household can eat the meat. Not even guests can have any, and the meat can't be given away...

same as here some butchers can cut up etc etc but think it can't be in same area as not inspected
a few outfit's doing home kill services chiller truck to take them away for hanging and cutting up etc etc back at there butcher shops

 

[topground]

Unless you could provide local slaughtering services where none currently exist, the unit cost of slaughtering your own stock in a newly developed slaughterhouse would be prohibitive. The major obstacle to your proposal would be planning permission, closely followed with the problems of the disposal of waste water.
The Food Standards Agency would be your first port of call for the construction, layout and finishes required and also an indication of the costs you would incur for veterinary supervision and meat inspection.
There will be a storm of local protests about developing a new slaughterhouse. when Potters Horse slaughterhouse wanted to relocate from their Bishop Sutton site to Chelwood some years ago there was a massive campaign to prevent it happening and yet many of the residents of Bishop Sutton didn't know they had a slaughterhouse in their village!
Now the site in BS is a housing estate.
Edit: The cheapest way to set up a cutting room is to buy a lorry body or container with a chiller unit. That way the lining will comply with Food Hygiene Regulations and all you will need is to plumb in hot and cold water and drainage to a deep sink and wash hand basin and put in a cutting block and any other necessary kit.

 

[spin cycle]

better off just doing the cutting?...cracking idea though

 

[JD-Kid]

better off just doing the cutting?...cracking idea though

yea still quite a high set up cost but a bit less paper work with waste etc etc

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

There was some work done a while ago on having a mobile unit that was all up to spec.
Seem to remember the stumbling block was having enough chiller capacity and disposal of green offal. Vet & MHS charges are prohibitive on small scale plants as well.

It is a great idea but I fear the red tape and the costs would make it a non starter.

 

[DrWazzock]

We are in a development corridor route but miles away from any residential areas. There isn't another abattoir within 20 miles. There used to be lots locally but they all got closed down because they couldn't meet EU rules.

I was hoping to do something modular container style.

We have quite a few livestock producers nearby who have to go either to Doncaster or sometimes Skegness for a reasonably priced service which is an 80 mile round trip to take the animals in then another 80 mile trip to get the carcasses back, which considering we are in the middle of an agricultural county, is a poor state of affairs IMO.

Looks like it could be quite a battle though. Thanks for help. I obviously need to do much more research.

 

[KennyO]

I saw pics of a fully mobile set up recently. I think it was in Scandinavia.

Google finds this http://abachemeng.com/mobile_slaughter_hall.php its uk based too

 

[KennyO]

p.s. Change your religion and there will be less regulations for you!!

 

[JD-Kid]

We are in a development corridor route but miles away from any residential areas. There isn't another abattoir within 20 miles. There used to be lots locally but they all got closed down because they couldn't meet EU rules.

I was hoping to do something modular container style.

We have quite a few livestock producers nearby who have to go either to Doncaster or sometimes Skegness for a reasonably priced service which is an 80 mile round trip to take the animals in then another 80 mile trip to get the carcasses back, which considering we are in the middle of an agricultural county, is a poor state of affairs IMO.

Looks like it could be quite a battle though. Thanks for help. I obviously need to do much more research.

yea agree a few smaller places here closed down towns spreading out more rules and regs makeing it harder for small outfits to up grade due to costs or way building was frist built

place i worked for had the semi trailer and also had a 2 bay garage with sleep out (realy 3-4 bay garage size ) lined walls and concrete flooring pelts went to by product place ,back then the pelt payed for the killing IE we kept the pelt and farmer got eather whole product back or ground and frozen product
gut's etc etc in to big gut hole OK rules diffrent here and this was for pet food only

 

[DrWazzock]

I saw pics of a fully mobile set up recently. I think it was in Scandinavia.

Google finds this http://abachemeng.com/mobile_slaughter_hall.php its uk based too

That's the kind of thing.

 

[Old Boar]

Are there any grants/advice/innovation bods in your area?

 

[JD-Kid]

That's the kind of thing.

thats flash wonder what the pounds and pences are for that

 

[J-ham]

Is such a thing possible or is it a non starter?

I can get hold of the staff and the vet but need a minimalist design for the premises.

For cattle, sheep and pigs.

Starting from scratch, could the whole thing be fabricated from stainless steel?

Farm not too far from here have just done something similar to this, but for deer. Set up in a converted farm building. Can't see why you wouldn't be able to do something similar for cattle, sheep and pigs. Some photos of the building process here; http://deerfarmdemoproject.scottish.../2014/10/Jane-Prentice-Downfield-Abbatoir.pdf