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<blockquote data-quote="melted welly" data-source="post: 8128176" data-attributes="member: 37168"><p>I reckon that’s the next level after pretend meat, go after soil engaging veg on that exact premise. Why eat something grown in “dirt” with all that fungus, bacteria and microbes crawling over it when you can have this alternative, grown in a sterile vertical farm in an old railway tunnel? Land will become for energy production, waste disposal and leisure. Food will be produced, not grown. Land will become unsuitable for food production. That will be an oddity practised by weirdos, hippies and museums. </p><p></p><p> I personally feel the over simplification of nature will be the ultimate downfall of humanity. It is impossible to replicate all the tiny interactions of nature (bacterial, fungal, microbial, solar etc) when growing plants, we can mimic what we know about in order to produce something that looks similar, but we will never fully understand it all. Our food is less nutritious now than 50/60/70 years ago because we use artificial inputs to mask poor soil management and produce bulk. We also (as a society) rely on pharmaceutical companies to pick up the slack of our bad food, be it type 2 diabetes, allergies, vitamin supplements, statins etc etc…..</p><p></p><p>We as growers/producers are paid by bulk, so long as that bulk averages over a certain standard, we’re good. Nutritional value is of little relevance to what we do. We have not replaced the environmental micro-interactions, that should take place as plants grow, we’ve done the equivalent of appeasing hunger by eating a biscuit, short term solutions. But why would we bother trying to produce anything more nutritious, there is no premium, better to produce a 10t/ha crop of feed wheat than a crop of crooked, dumpy organic veggies that no one wants because the shiny uniformly shaped ones look better and are cheaper.</p><p></p><p>By “we” I don’t exclusively mean just farmers; govt, science, retail, processors, consumers, we all make choices predominantly/exclusively based on £££££ and to all of our ultimate detriment, and to the benefit only of those already in the preferential situations.</p><p></p><p> Don’t know what the answer is, I don’t think it is ultimately fixable for the majority of people, things are too far gone down this path, too much power in too few hands. If they want to spread their shite, literally and metaphorically, upon agriculture, it will be made to happen.</p><p></p><p>As someone keeps telling us - “market share is the root of all evil” and we don’t really listen, do we?</p><p></p><p>[USER=76758]@delilah[/USER]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="melted welly, post: 8128176, member: 37168"] I reckon that’s the next level after pretend meat, go after soil engaging veg on that exact premise. Why eat something grown in “dirt” with all that fungus, bacteria and microbes crawling over it when you can have this alternative, grown in a sterile vertical farm in an old railway tunnel? Land will become for energy production, waste disposal and leisure. Food will be produced, not grown. Land will become unsuitable for food production. That will be an oddity practised by weirdos, hippies and museums. I personally feel the over simplification of nature will be the ultimate downfall of humanity. It is impossible to replicate all the tiny interactions of nature (bacterial, fungal, microbial, solar etc) when growing plants, we can mimic what we know about in order to produce something that looks similar, but we will never fully understand it all. Our food is less nutritious now than 50/60/70 years ago because we use artificial inputs to mask poor soil management and produce bulk. We also (as a society) rely on pharmaceutical companies to pick up the slack of our bad food, be it type 2 diabetes, allergies, vitamin supplements, statins etc etc….. We as growers/producers are paid by bulk, so long as that bulk averages over a certain standard, we’re good. Nutritional value is of little relevance to what we do. We have not replaced the environmental micro-interactions, that should take place as plants grow, we’ve done the equivalent of appeasing hunger by eating a biscuit, short term solutions. But why would we bother trying to produce anything more nutritious, there is no premium, better to produce a 10t/ha crop of feed wheat than a crop of crooked, dumpy organic veggies that no one wants because the shiny uniformly shaped ones look better and are cheaper. By “we” I don’t exclusively mean just farmers; govt, science, retail, processors, consumers, we all make choices predominantly/exclusively based on £££££ and to all of our ultimate detriment, and to the benefit only of those already in the preferential situations. Don’t know what the answer is, I don’t think it is ultimately fixable for the majority of people, things are too far gone down this path, too much power in too few hands. If they want to spread their shite, literally and metaphorically, upon agriculture, it will be made to happen. As someone keeps telling us - “market share is the root of all evil” and we don’t really listen, do we? [USER=76758]@delilah[/USER] [/QUOTE]
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