Militant here on Earth.

adzy

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Mid Norfolk
Agriculture has got it pretty bad, but there is no sector that has escaped the petty bureaucracy that dominates modern life. Worse still, there's a whole industry worth millions and employing thousands to perpetuate and expand it. All done for the lofty ideals of higher standards, transparency and safety. But has any of it actually improved our lives or just shifted problems from one place to another. Down with this sort of thing.
 
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Clive

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Arable Farmer
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Lichfield

Ley253

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Location
Bath
Masks are there to reduce the distance the virus travels and remind people to be careful

Plenty of people think the measels was an mild illness
talk to any childrens nurse from the time before the Measels vaccine it is a very nasty desease if you are unlucky
the same goes for covid 19 which is significantly worse talk to the medical profesionals who cared for those who were in hospital with covid 19

health and safety regulations are necessary
before them many more people were injured or killed
talk to those who have suffered or lost a friend or relative
seat belts in cars and air bags and child seats all very effective and a legal requirement
Reduce the distance? Really? without a mask, it cant travel more than two meters, according to the "social distancing" mantra. With the help of a mask, it can travel all round a supermarket, hitch a ride on a bus, transfer to a train and have a holiday in France!
All your examples are of restrictions/ rules which are largely fail safe, the mask and other restrictions are far from that, this is evidenced by the news that infection rates are rising fastest in house arrest areas, working well then, isnt it! Masks are a prime example of an organisation being seen to be doing something, and that the be all and end all of it.
edit. I would also point out that all the legislation you mentioned was passed into law by parliament, not by one man!
 
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robs1

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I was thinking about this sort of stuff just the other day. It occurred to me that we are probably still suffering from the genetic effects of 2 world wars in the 20th century. We lost well over a million young men in those two, and they would be among the best people society had to offer at the time. Taking that amount of quality people out of the gene pool has to have an effect on the quality of future generations. We have been governed by the Post War generation since the 90s, and its noticeable that the quality of governance has dropped significantly in that time. Thatcher was a pre-war child, Major born in wartime, and Blair was born in the 50s. If the quality at the very top is declining, it will be the same down throughout society.
It's the effect of socialism, drag everybody down to the lowest level so some don't feel disadvantaged
 
Reduce the distance? Really? without a mask, it cant travel more than two meters, according to the "social distancing" mantra. With the help of a mask, it can travel all round a supermarket, hitch a ride on a bus, transfer to a train and have a holiday in France!
All your examples are of restrictions/ rules which are largely fail safe, the mask and other restrictions are far from that, this is evidenced by the news that infection rates are rising fastest in house arrest areas, working well then, isnt it! Masks are a prime example of an organisation being seen to be doing something, and that the be all and end all of it.
 

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robs1

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License fee avoidance is about to change from criminal to civil but the BBC can apply to the magistrates for you to pay up. Refusal would entitle bailiffs to enter your property and take goods to the value of the fee - currently £157.50. In reality, bailiffs take more than that as stuff is auctioned so they need to ensure all costs are covered

If everyone refused to pay, it would be anarchy :pompous:
About five years ago a cottage I rented out became vacant, I decided to completely renovate it, it took two years as we raised the ceilings to give more headroom etc over that time I must have had 10 letters from the tv licence people threatening all sorts, including coming to see the property, as a service road goes right by anyone can look in the windows and see it was empty, not once did the threatened legal action or visit take place, I thinks it's all hot air.
 

adzy

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Location
Mid Norfolk
About five years ago a cottage I rented out became vacant, I decided to completely renovate it, it took two years as we raised the ceilings to give more headroom etc over that time I must have had 10 letters from the tv licence people threatening all sorts, including coming to see the property, as a service road goes right by anyone can look in the windows and see it was empty, not once did the threatened legal action or visit take place, I thinks it's all hot air.

They are totally toothless, just cry bullies really. 285000 licences are cancelled every year, they can't police them all. Capita who look after TV licensing have to make a profit for their trouble, and it's far easier to keep sending out computer generated letters to scare a few old grannies into coughing up to maintain the likes of jug ears Lineker's £1.25mn per annum. 7 years and counting not paying the telly tax and I've never had a visit. They don't even send the letters any more.
 
There isn't a "spike" there is a distinct rise in % positive. Attached from "ourworldindata" apologiese for photo of screen. References /web address are all there.
 

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kiwi pom

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canterbury NZ
It seems like RT, TV licences and wearing masks because of 'The Sickness' have got people upset.
Nothing else?

It’s time to say enough is enough. We will not accept one more new regulation.

The problem is, as farmers you are all competing against each other, so if someone is willing to accept more especially if they think it will either get them a better price or reduce their competition, they'll do it.

RT may be a complete pain in the arse for you but for some places they wont think twice about it. The secretary will have all the paperwork sorted and the staff will have the farm in order. They already jump through a million hoops to employ staff, so not really a big deal, although it might hurt the ego a bit if an inspector criticises something.
If such a scheme gets rid of a few one man band competitors and a bit more land becomes available, all the better.
 
It seems like RT, TV licences and wearing masks because of 'The Sickness' have got people upset.
Nothing else?



The problem is, as farmers you are all competing against each other, so if someone is willing to accept more especially if they think it will either get them a better price or reduce their competition, they'll do it.

RT may be a complete pain in the arse for you but for some places they wont think twice about it. The secretary will have all the paperwork sorted and the staff will have the farm in order. They already jump through a million hoops to employ staff, so not really a big deal, although it might hurt the ego a bit if an inspector criticises something.
If such a scheme gets rid of a few one man band competitors and a bit more land becomes available, all the better.
Quite a lot of the paperwork required for farm assurance will be the same for 100 acres as 10,000 acres and as you say, on the larger farms the burden of compliance will fall across several shoulders, the small man has to do the lot themselves.
I’m sure over the long term these schemes are to the benefit of the larger farms to the detriment of smaller ones if only due to the physiological pressures it puts the smaller man under.
 

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
Quite a lot of the paperwork required for farm assurance will be the same for 100 acres as 10,000 acres and as you say, on the larger farms the burden of compliance will fall across several shoulders, the small man has to do the lot themselves.
I’m sure over the long term these schemes are to the benefit of the larger farms to the detriment of smaller ones if only due to the physiological pressures it puts the smaller man under.

Yep, that's the way it's going I'm afraid. A local farming business was advertising for a 'compliance manager' a while ago because the H&S manager was too busy and the operations manager couldn't keep up with it.
They'll be people on here that have said to themselves, I wish the neighbour would hurry up and pack up so I can have a crack at the land. If they think they can gain an edge by doing something extra that another farmer wont its counted as a win.
 

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