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O'Reilly

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I have to say it was a bit much to go to an ARLA recruitment meeting at Aylesbury three years ago and have Jonathan ovens of all people stand up in a room full of FM members an tell us all about cooperation, 'we do this because we're a coop' etc. It didn't help his case, or mine as I wanted to join and the old man didn't. The old man didn't argue when they came round again in November though.
 

Einstien

Member
Join ARLA if you want ARLA to do really well

Pick a good Local Dairy if YOU want to do well

Simple really

I left and haven't looked back, sorry I know it's not being in "the gang" but I couldn't afford to prop the capital requirements of a bunch of board room dreamers, when I was trying to expand my own business, I also despise the money wasted at the top levels in ARLA when their "members" are fed peanuts.

I don't think the ARLA concept is a bad thing, but it's just setup for those already maxed out dairy farms who are happy to invest in the processing side, not those who are wanting to grow their own business.
 

Einstien

Member
If you people are too thick to understand the currency smoothing mechanism then just take our word for it, there are no losers in it.

NO Winners in it either - it's totally pointless!!!

ARLA say it's to "smooth out Volatility", but all it means is that in good times the reward is slower coming, and in bad times the bad is slower coming - the problem being that actually it does cost the farmer to achieve this, ultimately ARLA are furnishing a debt to achieve this - and Ultimately who do you think will foot the bill for this... Oh yes the "Members"
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Join ARLA if you want ARLA to do really well

Pick a good Local Dairy if YOU want to do well

Simple really

I left and haven't looked back, sorry I know it's not being in "the gang" but I couldn't afford to prop the capital requirements of a bunch of board room dreamers, when I was trying to expand my own business, I also despise the money wasted at the top levels in ARLA when their "members" are fed peanuts.

I don't think the ARLA concept is a bad thing, but it's just setup for those already maxed out dairy farms who are happy to invest in the processing side, not those who are wanting to grow their own business.

Careful or you'll get an "Arla hater" badge just like mine. :rolleyes:
 
NO Winners in it either - it's totally pointless!!!

ARLA say it's to "smooth out Volatility", but all it means is that in good times the reward is slower coming, and in bad times the bad is slower coming - the problem being that actually it does cost the farmer to achieve this, ultimately ARLA are furnishing a debt to achieve this - and Ultimately who do you think will foot the bill for this... Oh yes the "Members"

That is not correct Arla are not taking any debt to operate the system. It is operated within the co-op.

All the money is allocated each month using the exchange rate conversion based on average of previous 8 quarters for Sweden & UK. So if currently the exchange rate is lagging for the UK as now, then is slightly boosts the overall euro price Arla pay.

As it happens Sweden are slightly on the up side so that tends to balance the situation so the overall euro price paid would not change much if we went to say a one quarter average, just the UK price would increase and the Swedish price decrease. 12 months ago the situation was exactly the opposite.
 
Join ARLA if you want ARLA to do really well

Pick a good Local Dairy if YOU want to do well

Simple really

I left and haven't looked back, sorry I know it's not being in "the gang" but I couldn't afford to prop the capital requirements of a bunch of board room dreamers, when I was trying to expand my own business, I also despise the money wasted at the top levels in ARLA when their "members" are fed peanuts.

I don't think the ARLA concept is a bad thing, but it's just setup for those already maxed out dairy farms who are happy to invest in the processing side, not those who are wanting to grow their own business.

Sorry, but what rubbish.

I'm not saying ARLA could never go tits up but the scale and trading history they have makes them a lot more secure than most local dairies. ARLA are the only buyer around here now that all the smaller daries have gone bust, most of them owning farmers money.

As for ARLA not being for those who want to grow their business, can you please tell me who else guarantees to pick up every litre you produce and pay you the headline price? If it weren't for TB I would have gone from 220 to 520 cows in 3 years at a time when other buyers were introducing A and B schedules. If I'd been on one of those I'd probably be bust by now.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
If it weren't for TB I would have gone from 220 to 520 cows
And so many others. I raised exactly this point with the NFU, when the culls work and the TB cattle cull numbers dwindle where is all the extra milk and meat going to go? 30000 cattle extra say 50/50 milk and meat.
another 120 million litres of milk IN THE FIRST YEAR then double the next and on and on. The beef not so hugely as some of the culls are already going into the system.

Arla is a great system where all those that produce more and push the price down in the troughs penalize all the rest, a real lets stick together co-op attitude. If i had a cow for every Arla producer that moan to me about that in the last 24 months i'd be milking more than 520 cows!
 

Chips

Member
Location
Shropshire
I don't think the ARLA concept is a bad thing, but it's just setup for those already maxed out dairy farms who are happy to invest in the processing side, not those who are wanting to grow their own business.

As very often with anti farmer co-op comments they are the exact opposite of what is reality . If you wish to expand you will not have to pay additional fees for those litres , thus you only paid the 7p on the litres you had when you join despite getting the full price on all the expanded litres . If you stick at the litres that you had on joining you will receive no more than than the expanded farm despite you having paid 7p on every one of your litres and thus in reality if you have already maxed out your business as you say, you will be part subsidising the guy who wants to expand and thus the opposite of what you say is true
 
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cowgirl95

Member
Sorry, but what rubbish.

I'm not saying ARLA could never go tits up but the scale and trading history they have makes them a lot more secure than most local dairies. ARLA are the only buyer around here now that all the smaller daries have gone bust, most of them owning farmers money.

As for ARLA not being for those who want to grow their business, can you please tell me who else guarantees to pick up every litre you produce and pay you the headline price? If it weren't for TB I would have gone from 220 to 520 cows in 3 years at a time when other buyers were introducing A and B schedules. If I'd been on one of those I'd probably be bust by now.
I think you have hit the nail on the head why a lot of people especially ex DFOB men are with Arla SECURITY
 

cowgirl95

Member
And so many others. I raised exactly this point with the NFU, when the culls work and the TB cattle cull numbers dwindle where is all the extra milk and meat going to go? 30000 cattle extra say 50/50 milk and meat.
another 120 million litres of milk IN THE FIRST YEAR then double the next and on and on. The beef not so hugely as some of the culls are already going into the system.

Arla is a great system where all those that produce more and push the price down in the troughs penalize all the rest, a real lets stick together co-op attitude. If i had a cow for every Arla producer that moan to me about that in the last 24 months i'd be milking more than 520 cows!
Don't hold your breath on the badger cull working anytime soon Sid !!!!!!!!
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Yorkshire tb4 area no thanks to soft badger cuddling politicians
Well I respectfully suggest that you know nothing about the reason for culling!! Try living with tb on a daily basis not once in 4 fecking years!!! With TB you try and plan for the future and then watch it all get taken away by a bunch of animals you have no control over what so ever ruin best laid plans. 75% of the farms around here have gone down in the last 6 months with new infections after years of being clear, years i mean up to 5 as we have all been affected at some point.
If you don't think the cull will work come down here buy some cattle and taken them home and speak to me in 18 months time! RANT OVER.
 
And so many others. I raised exactly this point with the NFU, when the culls work and the TB cattle cull numbers dwindle where is all the extra milk and meat going to go? 30000 cattle extra say 50/50 milk and meat.
another 120 million litres of milk IN THE FIRST YEAR then double the next and on and on. The beef not so hugely as some of the culls are already going into the system.

Arla is a great system where all those that produce more and push the price down in the troughs penalize all the rest, a real lets stick together co-op attitude. If i had a cow for every Arla producer that moan to me about that in the last 24 months i'd be milking more than 520 cows!
Market forces would keep it in check
 

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