Milk ureas.

[multi power]

Best of my knowledge no significant amount of sugar remaining in sugar beet nuts

That's what I though. I like sugar beet nuts because it's exactly what it says on the tin, no fillers or other rubbish

 

[jerseycowsman]

Best of my knowledge no significant amount of sugar remaining in sugar beet nuts

There's plenty of sugar left in the sugar beet, especially if it's molassed.
There is a special low sugar version called equibeet

 

[whynot2]

The fermentable energy in Mol SBP is far higher than non Mol SBP and soya hulls so the latter will compliment grass better

 

[Will Blackburn]

Use urea fert instead of AN, seem to get a lot of non-protein N in grass when using AN.

 

[pappuller]

same problem here with non-protein n do you use urea right through or just early on ? tried it a few tears ago but only on 1st cut

 

[Will Blackburn]

Used only one dose of AN in the last 2 years, last year when it went a little dry at one point.

 

[jondear]

At 0.35 they will be burning flesh of their backs and loosing embryo's, so Tim Davies from Kite told us at a meeting just 2 weeks ago !
Try to give them some straw may be? Should be nearer 0.20

Kite says it all .The bloody experts look where they have lead dairy farming !

 

[happycows]

Been on a farm walk today @Dragon discussing NIS pellets. I used them before about 3 years ago and they complimented lush grass very well but not had access with current supplier until this year but ill have 8 tons and feed according to grass stage and ndf levels.

 

[conor t]

At 0.35 they will be burning flesh of their backs and loosing embryo's, so Tim Davies from Kite told us at a meeting just 2 weeks ago !
Try to give them some straw may be? Should be nearer 0.20

Don't think that applies to grass since so much of the protein is degraded the cow won't necessarily be getting enough protein to drive on milk.

 

[Beef farmer]

Been on a farm walk today @Dragon discussing NIS pellets. I used them before about 3 years ago and they complimented lush grass very well but not had access with current supplier until this year but ill have 8 tons and feed according to grass stage and ndf levels.

What NDF levels do you aim for?

 

[happycows]

We talked about this today very misleading. Take soya hulls or palm kernel. This naturally is the shell of seed pods. There very existence is to be indigestible and protect the seeds and as a result being high ndf isn't the full picture. Take NIS pellets or straw this is a forage and different type of ndf. Much more beneficial type of ndf.

Cf or crude fibre is another one.

My blend is 22.5 ndf.

 

[Beef farmer]

We talked about this today very misleading. Take soya hulls or palm kernel. This naturally is the shell of seed pods. There very existence is to be indigestible and protect the seeds and as a result being high ndf isn't the full picture. Take NIS pellets or straw this is a forage and different type of ndf. Much more beneficial type of ndf.

Cf or crude fibre is another one.

Ok, so what NDF levels are your fresh grass samples?

 

[happycows]

10th May last year 38.4 ndf. Covers would be higher than you would graze. About 3 weeks growth on ryegrass. Ndf's fluctuate and thus is where having 8 ton dumpy bags of NIS will suit me. Can add a kilo On top zero grazed grass as and when it's needed dependant on grass stage.

 

[More to life]

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Best of my knowledge no significant amount of sugar remaining in sugar beet nuts

thats the case with imported beet non molasses

We talked about this today very misleading. Take soya hulls or palm kernel. This naturally is the shell of seed pods. There very existence is to be indigestible and protect the seeds and as a result being high ndf isn't the full picture. Take NIS pellets or straw this is a forage and different type of ndf. Much more beneficial type of ndf.

Cf or crude fibre is another one.

My blend is 22.5 ndf.

By chance was this meeting selling NIS pellets

 

[happycows]

It was......I prefer to get a bit more ndf naturally from the grass if I can. It's cheaper. But at times butterfats can be hard work. I like grain maize and NIS has its place at times too.

15/08 it was 48.1 ndf.

 

[jackrussell101]

Is it the case that once your urea goes over 0.20 the cow is wasteing protein which possibly suggests she has too much protein in the diet so you could lower the protein in the ration?

 

[Cows 'n grass]

I never pay attention to them, they seem to jump around so much.

My last 3

315
297
291

That's from 3.5kg 18% cake + grazed grass + grass silage. The next load of cake will drop to 16 or 14% depending on the weather

 

[jackrussell101]

Yes that's similar to what sort of results we get have just dropped the cake from 18% protein to 14% protein which has brought price back by about £15 a tonne

 

[Beef farmer]

To resserect this thread....... @farmer on a bike I seem to remember you hold your milk ureas/diet protein fairly low. Is this the case and how low are we talking?

 

[happycows]

Keeping them low will do far more good to your 271 fresh served cows than keeping them high. Mine are currently 175 and dung consistency is spot on. I'm sure some regumaize would raise ureas and milk but i'm happy to keep them in nice condition and get them calving when i want next year at the moment.