mob stocking

[SilliamWhale]

Neil Dennis died this week. A great mob stocking innovator

 

[martian]

Neil Dennis died this week. A great mob stocking innovator

That is very sad news. He was a great innovator and ambassador. And a lovely bloke

 

[henric irbladh]

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[mezz]

Single strand and pigtails every 20 paces for bulls/yearlings
3 strand and plastic treadins if I want to keep lambs back
2 strand if I want lambs to creepView attachment 727528 View attachment 727530 wire is to move them on not hold them back, if they poke, feed them more/sooner

After lambs get used to creeping under 2 strands, do you have much trouble keepong them in later in the year?

 

[Kiwi Pete]

After lambs get used to creeping under 2 strands, do you have much trouble keepong them in later in the year?

No, not really. They hardly go away from mum, in fact they are usually going under the backfence if they "bust out" I should have most of them gone fairly soon, straight off mum.
Other than to prove they can, they usually won't poke if you feed them often enough and have respectable covers: the grass isn't greener!

 

[henric irbladh]

Some simple things that has improved my mob grazing(sheep)

Two or three wires in one reel, with this simple division. Paddock width appox 60 m.
I use industrial wire instead of ordinary wire, much smoother and no problems with knots.
The small black plastic thing (pic. 1) makes it easy to have the same tension on all wires.
Croc clamps together with insulated handles makes daily move possible even the fence is hot.
Gallagher Horse post, twist and lock, easy to handle and carry over the shoulder.

Nothing fancy, might help some.

Cheers, Henric

 

[Crofter64]

Some simple things that has improved my mob grazing(sheep)

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Two or three wires in one reel, with this simple division. Paddock width appox 60 m.
I use industrial wire instead of ordinary wire, much smoother and no problems with knots.
The small black plastic thing (pic. 1) makes it easy to have the same tension on all wires.
Croc clamps together with insulated handles makes daily move possible even the fence is hot.
Gallagher Horse post, twist and lock, easy to handle and carry over the shoulder.

Nothing fancy, might help some.

Cheers, Henric

Interesting reel stand, with side supports( first photo) . where did you get it and the inline tensioner?

 

[henric irbladh]

The reel stand is Kerbl, both are german made

Forgot to mention (pic. 2) the threaded M5 (4 pcs) increases winding ratio, 1:2

 

[ollie989898]

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Put up a shed and keep beef on the place in winter? You have your own straw, some grain, a mobile mill and mix company down the road, and labour to throw grain at them in winter? Chuck em out when it's dry enough to go mob stocking again?

 

[martian]

Put up a shed and keep beef on the place in winter? You have your own straw, some grain, a mobile mill and mix company down the road, and labour to throw grain at them in winter? Chuck em out when it's dry enough to go mob stocking again?

You don't need a shed, woodchip or straw corral much cheaper. You don't want to feed them grain, it's not what cattle should eat. Mill and mix a license to give money to someone else. Other than that, all good ideas.

 

[ollie989898]

You don't need a shed, woodchip or straw corral much cheaper. You don't want to feed them grain, it's not what cattle should eat. Mill and mix a license to give money to someone else. Other than that, all good ideas.

But Brisel is on a large arable unit. He can obtain straw and some grain for reasonable money, someone can come in and mill the grain for reasonable money. Yes grain is not really what they should eat but if you leave them out the grass wont be growing that fast and you dont want them making a mess. In his location they would only need to be house for probably 3 months at most in a kind year.

 

[ShooTa]

could he not move them faster to avoid any mess?

 

[Brisel]

could he not move them faster to avoid any mess?

That would require a lot of fencing and water infrastructure. With current ag policy uncertainty the only livestock infrastructure investment is on grant aided arable reversion where water pipe work and exterior fencing is covered by Countryside Stewardship GS14 option. GS14 is not mob grazing compatible as it seeks to create wild flower grassland.

Moving once/day is fine for now. Those cattle belong to a grazier & he’s not prepared to pay me for stubble turnips. Talking of which, what are the thoughts on mob grazing turnips?

 

[Brisel]

But Brisel is on a large arable unit. He can obtain straw and some grain for reasonable money, someone can come in and mill the grain for reasonable money. Yes grain is not really what they should eat but if you leave them out the grass wont be growing that fast and you dont want them making a mess. In his location they would only need to be house for probably 3 months at most in a kind year.

Some good points there but housing is 5 months here. Having enough herbal leys to do the winter would mean excess biomass in peak growth season and my boss refuses to have mowers cutting up his grey partridge except where he have to for the GS14 option.

 

[ShooTa]

Ah so its a matter of possible but unable due to infrastucture investment. something to work toward maybe in an ALL outwintering affair? (caveat im a sheep man and have limited cow knowledge)

 

[Brisel]

To be honest I prefer sheep over winter as any soil compaction is limited to the top couple of inches.

Any reason sheep couldn’t be mob grazed in grass?

 

[ShooTa]

nope - well technically im holisticgrazing rather than mob as im moving only ever day/every other day.

 

[Kiwi Pete]

To be honest I prefer sheep over winter as any soil compaction is limited to the top couple of inches.

Any reason sheep couldn’t be mob grazed in grass?

None at all.

Anything on feet beats anything with wheels, if a loony like me can do it, anyone can.

 

[unlacedgecko]

To be honest I prefer sheep over winter as any soil compaction is limited to the top couple of inches.

Any reason sheep couldn’t be mob grazed in grass?

0.5ha paddocks and 3 day moves.

 

[henric irbladh]

Those of you who mob graze with sheep, how long regrowth period do you aim for?
Have anyone noticed any difference in worm burden after changing to mob/holistic grazing.