mob stocking

Discussion in 'Direct Drilling General Discussion' started by martian, Feb 6, 2013.

  1. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    The only worm issues I have are: feeding them all :)
    Nothing gets wormed here apart from the cats, I do monitor FEC but have never reached a point where it is needed - my "cheats" are that I use cattle to provide the bulk of the animal impact, and only run a very small mob of ewes.
    I run a mob of store spring lambs and some of them crash out, so they are quarantined on one area, and don't put my sheep in there; handily I also tack graze a mob of hoggets in the winter to chew out the pastures and export the problem in exchange for a monthly cheque (y)
    My sheep only graze fast while the lambs are here, and then I put them on a diet :rolleyes: 20181128_203510.jpg
    We had 4 inches of rain last week
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  2. unlacedgecko

    unlacedgecko Member

    North Lincolnshire
    Strictly speaking I’m not really mob grazing. I’m paddock grazing ewes over winter to improve grass utilisation and reduce poaching.

    Asits a winter only thing for me, there is no re growth grazed. The sheep don’t go over the same ground twice. Nothing gets wormed while it’s with me.
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  3. henric - im only in my first year and we had pretty drastic improvements with our worm issues fec tests were good all year - although i did bork and ended up not fencing a wet ditch and them getting fluke.. DOH
  4. henric irbladh

    Thanks for the replys. Seems like you have about the same thoughts and experince as I.

  5. henric irbladh

    Left side grazed 24 hours,right side 36 hours (Due to Groundswell visit) IMG_0191.JPG
    Left side grazed 24 hours, right side 48 hours.

    None of the paddocks that were grazed more than 24 hours never catched up during the regrowth period (approx 30 days).
    Just love mob grazing
  6. Samcowman

    Samcowman Member

    Were they grazed down to the same level?
    Was talking to a dairy grazer tonight and he was saying that you have to graze down the grass to 1200 or it affects the cows on the next round. He would be rotating rather than mob grazing. Thinking that level would be quite low for mob.
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  7. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    If this is 1200, then yes (y)

    I don't worry about quantities, take half, leave half behind - the main dynamic is the movement, to avoid stress
  8. henric irbladh

    Different grazing levels, more"left overs" in 24 hour paddock. I think thats one of the reasons, there is more
    "solar panels" left starting to generate energy to the plant. I think yo´re right on the next round, on dairy cattle.
    My sheep just graze the leafy part and leave the rest
  9. ChrisStep

    ChrisStep New Member

    Really struggling to keep up this year. I've 40 acres of ley to graze but we haven't got anywhere near yet - still grazing pastures and BPS fallow. I'm going to try a weed wiper after we've grazed this lot. Grass.jpg
  10. Brisel

    Brisel Member

    Ditto. I started in May in stuff 18" tall and now it's 5 feet in places. A nightmare for putting out electric fencing.
  11. Careful on Pinkeye
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  12. Nsoiled

    Nsoiled New Member

    Why would you be weed wiping?

    Tall covers are an issue with shorting.
    But ultimate objectives should dictate management. Not the other way round

    Tall grass will be feeding soil in a way that no fertiliser can ever do

    Tighten up those groups to achieve uniform trampling and utilisation. This may mean moving multiple times per day. But the rewards will pay off, in grass growth and reduced poaching in winter
  13. Nsoiled

    Nsoiled New Member

    If you're not making them eat to the base then exposure to pink eye will be minimal
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  14. ChrisStep

    ChrisStep New Member

    The weed wiping is for the thistles in the fallow land. The grass has now been eaten / trampled, leaving a good stand of thistle for a weed wipe at about 2 ft. Hopefully miss any remaining grass stalks. Thanks for the heads up on pink eye. Is long grass a cause?
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  15. Brisel

    Brisel Member

    I had always thought pink eye/New Forest Eye was from long grass scratching their eyes as they grazed. After 2 years of mob grazing, it hasn't been an issue so far.
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  16. Nsoiled

    Nsoiled New Member

    Yes, pink eye is commonly associated with long grass.
    But as Brisel says, those that actually mob graze haven't reported issues with it, AFAIK
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  17. Kiwi Pete

    Kiwi Pete Member

    Owaka, New Zealand
    It's been a problem on this farm in the past, and tall grass is only a recent addition to the landscape (hence my battle with letting the grass express itself, it takes time).

    That was more to do with what I would call "scungy calves" and do wonder if it is to do with lack of care/colostrum? Below par immune systems?
    It can be caused by chlamydia or mycoplasma bacteria, as well as allergies, irritants.
    It can certainly spread rapidly via contact, things like feeders and bale rings (and housing, which was the case here before we arrived).
    But I doubt if long/stalky grass is the main reason, as this is "the natural state of affairs" on most landscapes in the world, remember these were around long before the topper and overgrazing shifted our baselines as to 'what a farm should look like'.
    Likewise scald and lameness, these are also the result of human's own actions, or lack thereof.
    We tend to blame nature, ahead of our own faults.

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