Modern take on an old(er) idea

Fendtbro

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That thing is still minus the front loader and 3 in 1 of the 3cx, when it comes to a loading a wheel digger would make it look silly, a 13 ton 360 would completely embarrass it for workrate, it also has no reach worth and rehandling material is costly and slow.



Each to their own but I think it’s a white elephant.
Hmm, a Scandinavian recently told me that the huddig shovel will beat a 16 tonner loading lorries.. could be true? A fendt 936 with a suitable heavy duty loader is bound to be better than a 3cx, far more weight and grip. I can't see why a 10 ton tractor can't be set up to match or beat a wheeled digger for digging and loading.
 

Lincsman

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Hmm, a Scandinavian recently told me that the huddig shovel will beat a 16 tonner loading lorries.. could be true? A fendt 936 with a suitable heavy duty loader is bound to be better than a 3cx, far more weight and grip. I can't see why a 10 ton tractor can't be set up to match or beat a wheeled digger for digging and loading.
Thats a big step up, a 3cx type machine is a 4 tonne tractor modified, eg A Ford 550 is a 4600 tractor underneath.
 
Looks perfect for maintaining the sides of the roads in Scandinavia Finland ect

Don’t think it’s for the uk where used low loaders and 13ton diggers are starting to look cheap
 

Fendtbro

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Thats a big step up, a 3cx type machine is a 4 tonne tractor modified, eg A Ford 550 is a 4600 tractor underneath.
Exactly.. scale the backhoe base unit up to 10 ton and 240hp and it will knock spots of a 3cx/550.. it can easily be made to match the huddig/ 13 tonner. And vastly more capable in soft ground with huge wheels in comparison.
 

Wellytrack

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Hmm, a Scandinavian recently told me that the huddig shovel will beat a 16 tonner loading lorries.. could be true? A fendt 936 with a suitable heavy duty loader is bound to be better than a 3cx, far more weight and grip. I can't see why a 10 ton tractor can't be set up to match or beat a wheeled digger for digging and loading.

Comparisons are being made with different machines there, even take the tractor featured in the video, it doesn’t have a front loader, if it was to have a 3 in one and 3 ton capacity it would be another 15 grand.

I wouldn’t care if the 3cx or tractor and 360 burned an extra can or two of red, it’s saved in the workrate once it actually gets doing what it is meant too.
 
Hmm, a Scandinavian recently told me that the huddig shovel will beat a 16 tonner loading lorries.. could be true? A fendt 936 with a suitable heavy duty loader is bound to be better than a 3cx, far more weight and grip. I can't see why a 10 ton tractor can't be set up to match or beat a wheeled digger for digging and loading.
Can't compare huddig to anything else, they are a no corners cut 250k plus machine. Likewise comparing a tractor to a 3cx isn't a fair comparison, look at the chassis in a 3cx that the front and rear arms are fitted too. Give a tractor loader and axle bracket mounted back actor 10 years of hard graft digging and loading like a 3cx is capable of and see how it fairs. In reality its probably a modern foster fitted to keep road edge tidy.
 

Fendtbro

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Comparisons are being made with different machines there, even take the tractor featured in the video, it doesn’t have a front loader, if it was to have a 3 in one and 3 ton capacity it would be another 15 grand.

I wouldn’t care if the 3cx or tractor and 360 burned an extra can or two of red, it’s saved in the workrate once it actually gets doing what it is meant too.
But the idea of the tractor backhoe is that most people have the base unit anyway. Then ideally substitute the normal quicke etc for possibly a stronger earthmover loader and your only really adding the cost of a backhoe. Not much more than a decent s/h digger surely? I can't see why there should be a compromise in reach and power over a 3cx backhoe/8 tonner with a tractor backhoe, the 240hp tractor base unit is heavy enough to deal with it. Wouldn't work on a tight building site so well but most farm work has plenty of space. Field drainage, shed sites etc
 

Fendtbro

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Can't compare huddig to anything else, they are a no corners cut 250k plus machine. Likewise comparing a tractor to a 3cx isn't a fair comparison, look at the chassis in a 3cx that the front and rear arms are fitted too. Give a tractor loader and axle bracket mounted back actor 10 years of hard graft digging and loading like a 3cx is capable of and see how it fairs. In reality its probably a modern foster fitted to keep road edge tidy.
Bracket mount the back actor properly, no problem. 6f mounted plough on the road will be worse. The backhoe feet do the bulk of the work.
 
Bracket mount the back actor properly, no problem. 6f mounted plough on the road will be worse. The backhoe feet do the bulk of the work.
Feet only help the whole outfit to stay put and stable to be fair. Comparing back actor to an implement for which a tractor is designed to use isn't the same imho. To bracket mount it to the same strength as back actor mounting on a 3cx you'd have to lose the 5 mins to take on and off. A plough on the back of a tractor only really needs strength in one direction. How many directions can you pull with a back actor?
 

Fendtbro

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Feet only help the whole outfit to stay put and stable to be fair. Comparing back actor to an implement for which a tractor is designed to use isn't the same imho. To bracket mount it to the same strength as back actor mounting on a 3cx you'd have to lose the 5 mins to take on and off. A plough on the back of a tractor only really needs strength in one direction. How many directions can you pull with a back actor?
Up and down? Side to side is held by the feet.. watch a tractor ripping a rock road, that's shock loading!
 
Up and down? Side to side is held by the feet.. watch a tractor ripping a rock road, that's shock loading!
I know where you're coming from but back actor isn't just up and down it can be 90deg to either side as well and with feet down to make it stable you've actually anchored it as well. You could argue tractor tyres are always there to take up some shock and give a cushion.
I think with the 6 and 8 ton diggers becoming more common and the 3cx's popularity declining a lot of people don't realise the capability of 3cx (other makes are available) as a machine to dig a hole.
 

Wesley

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Surely it’d be great for the companies with highway maintenance contracts as an extra machine that can do more than one role. Cleaning ditches & gullies half the year, nothing too strenuous for it. Then unhitch the back actor & verge trimming the other half.
 

Fendtbro

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And worth every penny if you have the work for it.
Possibly.. I have almost bought one twice but someone else nipped in too quick the second time, otherwise there would be one here. Sse tried one up here early 2000's, but no use in soft ground and more specialist to operate. Went back to 360's. What hourly rate would you need for a new one.. £80-100 an hour? Never get any work for that!
 
Possibly.. I have almost bought one twice but someone else nipped in too quick the second time, otherwise there would be one here. Sse tried one up here early 2000's, but no use in soft ground and more specialist to operate. Went back to 360's. What hourly rate would you need for a new one.. £80-100 an hour? Never get any work for that!
Despite the big tyre options you can get on huddigs at a basic weight of 13ton up to 18ton with extras they are not gonna like soft ground. Too wide for getting down the road on wide wheels as well I'd suspect.
 

Wellytrack

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Lincsman

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But the idea of the tractor backhoe is that most people have the base unit anyway. Then ideally substitute the normal quicke etc for possibly a stronger earthmover loader and your only really adding the cost of a backhoe. Not much more than a decent s/h digger surely? I can't see why there should be a compromise in reach and power over a 3cx backhoe/8 tonner with a tractor backhoe, the 240hp tractor base unit is heavy enough to deal with it. Wouldn't work on a tight building site so well but most farm work has plenty of space. Field drainage, shed sites etc
A backhoe loader is one big heavy frame ( more than half of the total weight) with engines and transmissions hung off it, not the reverse
 

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