Moist Feeds

[ilovemilk90]

Hello everyone
what’s people opinion on moist feeds? A fellow convinced us to use a moist blend feed, we have been using for a couple months and seems to be working well and is saving us a fair bit of money on our blend. But against Trafford gold and other moist feeds seems expensive, but they recon they can guarantee it AYR.

anyone used any similar products?
Thanks

 

[upnortheast]

We use distillers grains (draff ) if the price is right. Reckon it needs to be the same price / tonne as milk is / litre
Works very well with high quality grass silage & whole crop wheat

 

[pappuller]

Hello everyone
what’s people opinion on moist feeds? A fellow convinced us to use a moist blend feed, we have been using for a couple months and seems to be working well and is saving us a fair bit of money on our blend. But against Trafford gold and other moist feeds seems expensive, but they recon they can guarantee it AYR.

anyone used any similar products?
Thanks

brewers grains here, drives intakes and helps cow condition feeding at 8kg/head/day delivered @ £43/ton 20 ton loads

 

[Bald Rick]

Look at everything on per tonne of dry matter basis to see if it’s good value.

And do NOT trust anyone who “guarantees” AYR availability

 

[ilovemilk90]

Look at everything on per tonne of dry matter basis to see if it’s good value.

And do NOT trust anyone who “guarantees” AYR availability

That’s the feed we have £106/tn and our dry blend is £235/tn. We’ve taken out 3kg of dry and put 6kg of moist. By our figure it will save us a few grand a year on feed. They do clear up the troughs well, recon cows like the oranges in it, smells nice too.

 

[Bald Rick]

That’s the feed we have £106/tn and our dry blend is £235/tn. We’ve taken out 3kg of dry and put 6kg of moist. By our figure it will save us a few grand a year on feed. They do clear up the troughs well, recon cows like the oranges in it, smells nice too.

Works out at £235/ tonne of dry matter so no saving ....... @pappuller brewers is £215/t of DM so a bit cheaper. Trafford Gold at current prices works out at £176/t DM so far better value ... which is why we bought x10 artic loads and clamped it

Just seen who you're getting your product through ............ Other may wish to comment on a certain salesman, but i could not possibly say

 

[pappuller]

Works out at £235/ tonne of dry matter so no saving ....... @pappuller brewers is £215/t of DM so a bit cheaper. Trafford Gold at current prices works out at £176/t DM so far better value ... which is why we bought x10 artic loads and clamped it

Just seen who you're getting your product through ............ Other may wish to comment on a certain salesman, but i could not possibly say

I sincerely hope my grains aren't costing that !!! Mash filter grains @26/27% DM equates to £165/ton DM

 

[ilovemilk90]

Works out at £235/ tonne of dry matter so no saving ....... @pappuller brewers is £215/t of DM so a bit cheaper. Trafford Gold at current prices works out at £176/t DM so far better value ... which is why we bought x10 artic loads and clamped it

Just seen who you're getting your product through ............ Other may wish to comment on a certain salesman, but i could not possibly say

You have to factor that the dry blends are 88% DM so at 100%Dm the moist blend is £235 and the dry blend is £270 so there is a considerable saving there.
KW I don’t care much for with the Trafford gold. There’s plenty about now but when you need it in a bad year they don’t give a sh!t, same with the brewers grains.
You mean a certain Welshman ?! There’s a different fella now. Time will tell

 

[pappuller]

You have to factor that the dry blends are 88% DM so at 100%Dm the moist blend is £235 and the dry blend is £270 so there is a considerable saving there.
KW I don’t care much for with the Trafford gold. There’s plenty about now but when you need it in a bad year they don’t give a sh!t, same with the brewers grains.
You mean a certain Welshman ?! There’s a different fella now. Time will tell

Moist feed availability can be very hit and miss but we have a load every 14 days and have not had a problem since using kw for the last couple of years.

 

[buffalo_soldier]

There is an element of forage substitution as well isn't there?

A good rule of thumb with this stuff is it needs to be 1/4 cake price I think.

KW must have a bit about as I had a rep here the other day trying to flog it.
First time ever one has rocked up.

 

[Bald Rick]

I sincerely hope my grains aren't costing that !!! Mash filter grains @26/27% DM equates to £165/ton DM

Of course it depends entirely where the moisture content sits. 20pc would get you over £200/t and plenty of brewers around at that

 

[deleted user 837354]

Moist blends are a way of making money.

The supplier sews up the supply of the straights so they can't be bought in bulk by farmers and then blend the ingredients to order and add a margin in the process.

You are better buying straight brewers grains if at all possible as there is less money being made in the process.

 

[pappuller]

Of course it depends entirely where the moisture content sits. 20pc would get you over £200/t and plenty of brewers around at that

Traditional grains are more variable, mash tend to be topside of 25dm though you wouldn't think it how they move

 

[ilovemilk90]

Moist feed availability can be very hit and miss but we have a load every 14 days and have not had a problem since using kw for the last couple of years.

If I had a separate pit to put a 100tn of brewers grains I would, as a piggy bank during winter, but don’t know if they have the same feed value as fresh

 

[pappuller]

If I had a separate pit to put a 100tn of brewers grains I would, as a piggy bank during winter, but don’t know if they have the same feed value as fresh

If they are consolidated and well sheeted they will be fine, my only concern with clamping mash filter grains is they are legendry for splitting because they move. we only have feeding loads for that reason, tipped on a concrete pad and shave with the handler bucket to keep them fresh. april/may is usually your best time to get a pitting deal and I would think youre not too far from some of the big breweries

 

[ilovemilk90]

There is an element of forage substitution as well isn't there?

A good rule of thumb with this stuff is it needs to be 1/4 cake price I think.

KW must have a bit about as I had a rep here the other day trying to flog it.
First time ever one has rocked up.

Usually yes I’d be with you on that but we have found we are feeding more silage. They clear up well so added a couple more kilos of silage per head so they don’t go without. To me we are saving on our feed costs and getting more out of our silage. Win win. Time will tell on the guaranteed supply though

 

[ilovemilk90]

If they are consolidated and well sheeted they will be fine, my only concern with clamping mash filter grains is they are legendry for splitting because they move. we only have feeding loads for that reason, tipped on a concrete pad and shave with the handler bucket to keep them fresh. april/may is usually your best time to get a pitting deal and I would think youre not too far from some of the big breweries

The old man has mixed them with wheatfeed or beet nuts. The the effect it has on butterfats also doesn’t appeal, we have tried mixing with a the oranges but even that is a bugger on supply.

 

[buffalo_soldier]

Usually yes I’d be with you on that but we have found we are feeding more silage. They clear up well so added a couple more kilos of silage per head so they don’t go without. To me we are saving on our feed costs and getting more out of our silage. Win win. Time will tell on the guaranteed supply though

It could be argued that this stuff is a bit like a compact feeding pre mix then.
Without the need to run the mixer for 15 hours?

 

[deleted user 837354]

The old man has mixed them with wheatfeed or beet nuts. The the effect it has on butterfats also doesn’t appeal, we have tried mixing with a the oranges but even that is a bugger on supply.

Citrus pulp should be available from the docks, when you buy and get them hauled should be easy to arrange?

 

[ilovemilk90]

It could be argued that this stuff is a bit like a compact feeding pre mix then.
Without the need to run the mixer for 15 hours?

Never thought of it like that. I like to think the dry blend and minerals are move evenly mixed as they would bing somewhat to the moist blend