Monbiot's TV show.....Apocalypse Cow: How Meat Killed the Planet

[Av Gorritt]

I used to have a lad worked for me long ago . He always said " I can't cope with these educated types , they're all effin' thick"

 

[A1an]

Does anybody REALLY think that the few cows we have on our little island do any sort of significant harm to our environment when we share the planet with the likes of India, China and America?

What we do here is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Don't get me wrong, we do need to look at what we are doing but it's not going to solve the worlds problems.

 

[shakerator]

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It was the cows wot done it....

the cooling towers are just steam I’m sure you know that but I’m convinced 95% of the public think it’s smoke and “dirty coal” !

 

[renewablejohn]

the cooling towers are just steam I’m sure you know that but I’m convinced 95% of the public think it’s smoke and “dirty coal” !

Not even UK coal fired powerstations.

 

[Grandad Pig]

This whole debate reminds me of the Brexit thing. Find a simplified solution to a complex problem. Blame all the ills of the country on the EU, Eurocrats, immigrants and so on, get a catchy slogan and keep repeating it until it is no longer challenged.

Climate change is real. Anthropomorphic CO2 is real. But rather than look at globalisation, consumerism and our “disposable” lifestyles, pick on farmers, better still, pick on cows. Keep repeating the lie until everyone stops questioning it and it becomes ‘truth’. Easier to blame cows than look at your own relentless contribution to climate chaos, the cars, the latest devices, the central heating and air conditioning, the all year round strawberries, the cheap plentiful food, disposable everything, keeping up with the Joneses etc etc.



Monbiot is a clever bloke, dangerous, but clever.

Mosn over, sorry.

 

[Wellytrack]

the cooling towers are just steam I’m sure you know that but I’m convinced 95% of the public think it’s smoke and “dirty coal” !

Yes, ofcourse point is it’s not even about what is the greater cause of anthropomorphic emissions or even if it is relevant, one scenario has being occurring for thousands of years and the other isn’t..

 

[DaveGrohl]

we can be the solution to the climate problem

You don't actually believe this though do you? Maths must have changed a lot since I was at school. Livestock farming is 5% of a problem. What can be done to the 5% to turn the other 95% negative? When it comes down to it this is the one simple aspect that these people need called out on. All these idiots shouting about the evils of livestock farming need this simple truth waving in front of their blurred myopic eyes.

 

[Suffolk Serf]

You don't actually believe this though do you? Maths must have changed a lot since I was at school. Livestock farming is 5% of a problem. What can be done to the 5% to turn the other 95% negative? When it comes down to it this is the one simple aspect that these people need called out on. All these idiots shouting about the evils of livestock farming need this simple truth waving in front of their blurred myopic eyes.

There is a well known biologist and former politician called Allan Savoury who puts a very lucid and compelling case that what he calls "Holistic Planned Grazing" is the ONLY answer to climate change (and reverses desertification too!). And he has proved it in the most unlikely of environments.
I didn't go as far as to say that but he's well worth hearing out.
Even better, Monbiot doesn't like him!

 

[yellowbelly]

Even better, Monbiot doesn't like him!

That's good.

Mind you Monbiot doesn't seem to like much - except the sound of his own voice

 

[egbert]

There is a well known biologist and former politician called Allan Savoury who puts a very lucid and compelling case that what he calls "Holistic Planned Grazing" is the ONLY answer to climate change (and reverses desertification too!). And he has proved it in the most unlikely of environments.
I didn't go as far as to say that but he's well worth hearing out.
Even better, Monbiot doesn't like him!

My eyes glaze over when someone on what appears to be our side of the fence uses a term like 'the only answer'.
We MUST keep ourselves rooted in reality.

 

[Treg]

Cows are amazing, the bacteria in their stomachs are the same bacteria needed for a healthy soil.
It's like...

They've been designed to work together

 

[icanshootwell]

Agreed, @bovrill . There's a huge amount of peer pressure in higher education now, it seems, and insufficient critical thinking taught in schools - largely because of too much testing within a pared down curriculum, regardless of state school or academy status. I have no information about the doings of free schools, or experience of the home tutored.

Take the apprentice this year for example, a group of 5 at the age of 20 to 30, supposedly intelligent young people did not know when the 2nd world war started. I stopped watching after that.

 

[icanshootwell]

Does anybody REALLY think that the few cows we have on our little island do any sort of significant harm to our environment when we share the planet with the likes of India, China and America?

What we do here is insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Don't get me wrong, we do need to look at what we are doing but it's not going to solve the worlds problems.

The amount of plastic sh!t coming from China is 1000,s times worse. Now were leaving the EU lets do something about this.

 

[Suffolk Serf]

My eyes glaze over when someone on what appears to be our side of the fence uses a term like 'the only answer'.
We MUST keep ourselves rooted in reality.

True, but it is a very compelling case that carbon can be taken from the air as CO2, via plants photosynthesising, and exuding sugars from their roots to feed soil organisms that put the carbon in the soil as humus.
Simple, effective, cheap and something that we have rather overlooked in modern agriculture.

 

[Sid]

Cows are amazing, the bacteria in their stomachs are the same bacteria needed for a healthy soil.
It's like...

They've been designed to work together

So if we destroy one, we destroy the other?

 

[Martyn]

We have currently a family friend staying with us, she's heading home from a yoga cource she has done over the new year with a group of about 17 city dwellers who have come to do it. She said the vast majority of them were new city vegans, the buffet food supplied all the veg instantly went, they all drank ulternative milk drinks, claiming to save the planet. Not surprising the meat eaters within the group managed to keep up with the yoga, while large vegan population struggled behind. Imagine the reduction in work out put the diet would put on the nation.

 

[delilah]

Why can't UK Agriculture go on the offensive and take these to the media, or have a go at the newly announced Earthshot Prize.

crack on then.
'cause I don't see anyone else doing it on your behalf.

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/countering-veganuary-2020.306879/

 

[DaveGrohl]

There is a well known biologist and former politician called Allan Savoury who puts a very lucid and compelling case that what he calls "Holistic Planned Grazing" is the ONLY answer to climate change (and reverses desertification too!). And he has proved it in the most unlikely of environments.
I didn't go as far as to say that but he's well worth hearing out.
Even better, Monbiot doesn't like him!

Who's saying the likes of Savoury are talking rubbish? Obv farming can improve a lot but saying that's gonna actually stop climate change while we carry on with the fossil fuel journey is absolutely nuts. Help by a small amount yes, but what about the other 90%? Again, it's simple maths.

 

[Two Tone]

So if we ban cows, what are these idiots going to put on their breakfast muesli and in their fancy latte coffees?
Not to mention the creme fraiche used on their fine dining luncheons and dinners!
And are we going to shoot at birth all the bull calves that the cows produce too?

Fresh milk - probably responsible for the dramatic drop in child mortality in the last century.
Butter
Cheese
Yogurt - a health and fitness standard food.
Beef
Leather - for their fancy car seats, expensive shoes, wallets and hand bags. The alternative is......Plastic made from oil!
Standard Roadside restaurants are all now McDonalds and Burger King.

Nobody seems to mention sheep, which are also ruminants.
Wool - carpets as well as clothes.
Lamb - probably the go-to meat for most Muslims! They don’t eat pork, do they.
Cheese (Feta for their fancy salads).

It’s not just Beef is it?
Oh yes, all these do-gooders would happily go without all of the above wouldn’t they?

How about somebody follows Mr Monbiot about and see which of the above he goes without?
Then hit him with a blackthorn cudgel for being such a hypocrite!

 

[roscoe erf]

Well whatever you do dont watch the fisher king it might give you ideas.
Dont panic just yet not sure educated people are believing all this nonsense.
My wife thinks Dracula is real you think you've got problems.

she is right I am