Monbiot's TV show.....Apocalypse Cow: How Meat Killed the Planet

[Pond digger]

Here is a link

http://www.andritzgouda.com/uploads/docs/AG_Plate_dryer_EN_mail.pdf

But do keep it a secret we would not want everyone to no that trees give off gas when they are heated. Our friends from down under seem to think its only there trees that give off gas.

Thanks.

 

[Pilatus]

I have just Googled "Why I gave up Veganism",some interesting bits and pieces,so lets hope many that give veganism a try will gradually come to their senses and go back to a traditional diet,which may mean eating less meat but not an all out ban on eating it. As the old saying says everything in moderation .

 

[Dave6170]

What an annoying pr*ck! Well done rachel for keeping calm and composed. Dont think i could of

 

[egbert]

Timber plantations are less efficient than a mixed grass clover ley at sequestering soil carbon. The net effect of trees planted in grassland in minus 100 kg/ha ((Guo & Gifford 2002). The biomass sequesters around 48 t/ha over 20 years but that is either harvested, processed or falls over & is ultimately released into the atmosphere again. Willow coppice & energy grasses have the bulkiest root systems capable of sequestering 1.1 t/ha of soil carbon over 4 years.

To be clear, i am not advocating widescale planting of farmable land (we simply don't have enough)

But you say it in your first line 'sequestering soil carbon'.
The beauty of trees for carbon capture is that it's available to take straight off, and remove...freeing up the land for the next go. (and I know...what do you do with the timber?)
And a lot of sites/systems would be capable of doing a lot more than 48T/hct in 20 years.
Over centuries, the accumulated carbon stored in soil would make it hugely unstable - if it were possible to keep adding to it continually, which doesn't seem to be the case.

I realise many peeps have their own theory/favoured route, but I'm looking around me in widening circles, and cannot see much option for capturing/storing the carbon we're releasing, when we pump/dig millions of tonnes of concentrated fossilised carbon outta the ground, and burn it.
Piledriving sitka/eucalypt trunks back into the sea bed is my best shot.

As for long term/large scale storage in soil...will someone show me where it happens without our help.
Cos I've walked along the gutters through tropical rainforest, arboreal forest, mountain ranges, continental prairies, deserts, tundra, and everything short of seldom find topsoil deeper than a foot.
Soaked living peatbog is an exception, alluvial deposits don't count, and I don't understand what 'volcanic soil' means, although i had a cousin tilling 4' of it in queensland backalong.
Someone show me.

 

[Treg]

Going to be alot of competition for land in the next few years , grow more trees , more houses, more roads , more rail ways & oh yeah more food .

 

[unlacedgecko]

What an annoying plonker! Well done rachel for keeping calm and composed. Dont think i could of

I still can't understand why a violent drug dealer and gang member with a conviction for firearms offences was given a visa for the UK.

Criminal past of vegan activist “Carbstrong” revealed - Special report — Animal Activist Watch

A vegan activist who claims to be a reformed peace-loving character was jailed for gun crime, it has emerged. Self-styled Joey Carbstrong,…

www.animalactivistwatch.com

 

[Wolds Beef]

Cummins is a Farmers Son. Maybe he ought to start his cull in DEFRA and associated organisations!! Why does our Government not stop supporting countries that grow tobacco and other associated products for a start and Publicly state that what comes in to this country below our standards will be destroyed. And they need to prove that standard with paperwork!!
WB

 

[Dave6170]

I still can't understand why a violent drug dealer and gang member with a conviction for firearms offences was given a visa for the UK.

Criminal past of vegan activist “Carbstrong” revealed - Special report — Animal Activist Watch

A vegan activist who claims to be a reformed peace-loving character was jailed for gun crime, it has emerged. Self-styled Joey Carbstrong,…

www.animalactivistwatch.com

Hes a right dodgey bas###d.

 

[kfpben]

How does George Monbiot survive in Machynlleth? Isn’t it peak hill farming area? I’m surprised he hasn’t been ‘moved on’ by some local heavies.

 

[AT Aloss]

To be clear, i am not advocating widescale planting of farmable land (we simply don't have enough)

But you say it in your first line 'sequestering soil carbon'.
The beauty of trees for carbon capture is that it's available to take straight off, and remove...freeing up the land for the next go. (and I know...what do you do with the timber?)
And a lot of sites/systems would be capable of doing a lot more than 48T/hct in 20 years.
Over centuries, the accumulated carbon stored in soil would make it hugely unstable - if it were possible to keep adding to it continually, which doesn't seem to be the case.

I realise many peeps have their own theory/favoured route, but I'm looking around me in widening circles, and cannot see much option for capturing/storing the carbon we're releasing, when we pump/dig millions of tonnes of concentrated fossilised carbon outta the ground, and burn it.
Piledriving sitka/eucalypt trunks back into the sea bed is my best shot.

As for long term/large scale storage in soil...will someone show me where it happens without our help.
Cos I've walked along the gutters through tropical rainforest, arboreal forest, mountain ranges, continental prairies, deserts, tundra, and everything short of seldom find topsoil deeper than a foot.
Soaked living peatbog is an exception, alluvial deposits don't count, and I don't understand what 'volcanic soil' means, although i had a cousin tilling 4' of it in queensland backalong.
Someone show me.

All the carbon calculations in the document I've quoted (which was prepared for UK Government & related to different biomass products for renewable energy) have been adjusted for +/- existing land use, establishment/harvesting/processing & transportation system. These adjustments are made for both the carbon in the biomass & the carbon sequestered in the soil.

Increasing soil carbon deposits depends on the Cabron:Nitrogen ratio of the soil (as well as the root mass in the soil), and both elements are in abundance in our atmosphere.

If you walk the land with a soil biologist & dig some soil pits, I'm sure they'd be pleased to show you some soil carbon.

 

[Poorbuthappy]

To be clear, i am not advocating widescale planting of farmable land (we simply don't have enough)

But you say it in your first line 'sequestering soil carbon'.
The beauty of trees for carbon capture is that it's available to take straight off, and remove...freeing up the land for the next go. (and I know...what do you do with the timber?)
And a lot of sites/systems would be capable of doing a lot more than 48T/hct in 20 years.
Over centuries, the accumulated carbon stored in soil would make it hugely unstable - if it were possible to keep adding to it continually, which doesn't seem to be the case.

I realise many peeps have their own theory/favoured route, but I'm looking around me in widening circles, and cannot see much option for capturing/storing the carbon we're releasing, when we pump/dig millions of tonnes of concentrated fossilised carbon outta the ground, and burn it.
Piledriving sitka/eucalypt trunks back into the sea bed is my best shot.

As for long term/large scale storage in soil...will someone show me where it happens without our help.
Cos I've walked along the gutters through tropical rainforest, arboreal forest, mountain ranges, continental prairies, deserts, tundra, and everything short of seldom find topsoil deeper than a foot.
Soaked living peatbog is an exception, alluvial deposits don't count, and I don't understand what 'volcanic soil' means, although i had a cousin tilling 4' of it in queensland backalong.
Someone show me.

So you're accounting for the above ground sequestration of carbon in the growing tree.
Fair enough.
What about the above ground sequestration of carbon in the pasture and the livestock?
A breeding flock/ herd is a fair bit of carbon locked up long term, but with a positive use of actually producing food.

Where can long term storage happen in the soil without our help? How do you think the metres deep soils of Australia, USA, and Africa formed? We didn't do it.
But we can emulate it to do it again whilst producing food. I seem to remember a certain article saying we'd need to plant more area to trees than we have in this country to offset our carbon emissions. Where's our food coming from then?
At least with regenerative farming food is produced as well as offsetting some of these emissions.
And yes the root problem of fossil fuel use has to be addressed.

 

[gatepost]

This whole debate reminds me of the Brexit thing. Find a simplified solution to a complex problem. Blame all the ills of the country on the EU, Eurocrats, immigrants and so on, get a catchy slogan and keep repeating it until it is no longer challenged.

Climate change is real. Anthropomorphic CO2 is real. But rather than look at globalisation, consumerism and our “disposable” lifestyles, pick on farmers, better still, pick on cows. Keep repeating the lie until everyone stops questioning it and it becomes ‘truth’. Easier to blame cows than look at your own relentless contribution to climate chaos, the cars, the latest devices, the central heating and air conditioning, the all year round strawberries, the cheap plentiful food, disposable everything, keeping up with the Joneses etc etc.



Monbiot is a clever bloke, dangerous, but clever.

Mosn over, sorry.

You can include Blair and WMD in that

 

[AGN76]

What an annoying plonker! Well done rachel for keeping calm and composed. Dont think i could of

Does anyone have her phone number?

I'll raise you with this, watch as the farmer slowly realises he's talking to an idiot!

 

[Pilatus]

I still can't understand why a violent drug dealer and gang member with a conviction for firearms offences was given a visa for the UK.

Criminal past of vegan activist “Carbstrong” revealed - Special report — Animal Activist Watch

A vegan activist who claims to be a reformed peace-loving character was jailed for gun crime, it has emerged. Self-styled Joey Carbstrong,…

www.animalactivistwatch.com

A couple of years ago after his outbursts on tv while being interviewed,he was turned away from the uk, so I don’t know why he was allowed in this time,perhaps the security system slipped up and let him in by accident.

 

[Marennydd]

How does George Monbiot survive in Machynlleth? Isn’t it peak hill farming area? I’m surprised he hasn’t been ‘moved on’ by some local heavies.

Does he live in the Machynlleth area?

 

[Swarfmonkey]

He scurried back off to Oxford a few years ago. Gave numerous excuses for the move, but in reality I suspect that he'd made himself persona non grata in Mach.

 

[Muck Spreader]

Cummins is a Farmers Son. Maybe he ought to start his cull in DEFRA and associated organisations!! Why does our Government not stop supporting countries that grow tobacco and other associated products for a start and Publicly state that what comes in to this country below our standards will be destroyed. And they need to prove that standard with paperwork!!
WB

A bit of an exaggeration to say he is a farmers son. His parents bought a hobby farm when his father retired from the oil industry. Otherwise he is the normal public school Oxbridge educated political elite product. Interestingly he does have a connection to the Chillingham cattle via his wife, who is a daughter of Sir Humphry Wakefield owner of Chillinghan castle.

 

[CornishTone]

A couple of years ago after his outbursts on tv while being interviewed,he was turned away from the uk, so I don’t know why he was allowed in this time,perhaps the security system slipped up and let him in by accident.

Australia decided they’d had enough of him and wouldn’t take the prîck back, so he had to go somewhere.

Aren’t we the lucky ones!

 

[bovrill]

Australia decided they’d had enough of him and wouldn’t take the prîck back, so he had to go somewhere.

Aren’t we the lucky ones!

I'm trying to think when it was that you came back, and whether he might have stowed away in your luggage!

 

[Muck Spreader]

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