- Location
- South Wales UK
Blumming box set next it there???
Monbiot's TV show.....Apocalypse Cow: How Meat Killed the Planet
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Chasingmytail
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- Location
- Newport, SE Wales
Theres an empty seat next to Meg & Harry leaving Heathrow soon wonder if he'll be entice in spreading his love to the Amercians (would love to see him swallowed up) Funny how George never leaves these shores perhaps he feels safe be interested in his uptake on the offer of going to Russia or Alaska? Perhaps he could share his ideas with Australians?
hollister
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- Alcester, warks
Call Channel 4 and let them know - 0345 076 0191.
I tried submitting online but the form bugged out conveniently. - https://www.channel4.com/4viewers/contact-us
Canada Farmer
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Ffs ,that explains it.?
Canada Farmer
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Why they let him out? He's about as clever/interesting as that Scotty Morrison , who wants to see let alone hear either of them?
- Location
- Cirencester
No, and I doubt you will either, as I suspect they are nursing their hangovers at The Malmaison in Oxford this morn then a leisurely lunch then home.
- Location
- Cumbria
Myth buster – the BBC's anti-meat programme examined - Farmers Weekly
The recent BBC investigation Meat: A Threat to our Planet? has caused quite a storm. Even as it was airing, social media was alive with comments.
www.fwi.co.uk
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- East Essexshire
Why is noone pointing out that whole soy beans are not fed to animals?
Soya meal is the 'waste' left after crushing for the oil. The oil goes for human consumption, the meal goes for animal feed.
There seems to be an acceptance that all of the Amazon is being burnt to grow soya to feed animals, which is just untrue, and very annoyingly is not being shot down by people who should know better.
Soya meal is the 'waste' left after crushing for the oil. The oil goes for human consumption, the meal goes for animal feed.
There seems to be an acceptance that all of the Amazon is being burnt to grow soya to feed animals, which is just untrue, and very annoyingly is not being shot down by people who should know better.
76masseyman
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- Location
- Lincolncestershire
Conveniently stopped with me too.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I listen to and mull over what Mr Monbiot says. I don't dismiss it out of hand. There is some science behind it. Some of what he says might be useful in helping us to adapt to changing circumstances. Much of what he proposes relies on alternative manufactured protein. Such technology isn't really up and running yet and would require a lot of energy which as farmers we presently collect from the sun via our grasses and crops. He would probably need vastly more solar panel arrays and wind turbines to replicate what our grass and crops do.
When I heard him criticise farming for polluting the rivers I thought it sounded a bit far fetched and old hat. If a poultry farm really was contaminating a river I dare say they would soon be collared by the EA so I found that accusation implausible. That destroyed my faith in his other arguments about the viability of manufactured protein somewhat and increased my sceptisism that it could stack up environmentally and practically. I found it hard to believe that he can obtain the equivalent energy from renewable resources that we presently collect via grassland and crops from the sun, without needing a vast amount of solar panels and wind turbines.
The organic farm producing food without manure on a supposedly sustainable basis was "interesting" yet took some believing. Maybe on some soils with vast reserves it's possible to keep removing nutrients through cropping without replacing them, but you wouldn't do that for very long here.
An interesting programme, but he has still taken many more plane rides than I have which makes him a bit of a hypocrite in my view.
When I heard him criticise farming for polluting the rivers I thought it sounded a bit far fetched and old hat. If a poultry farm really was contaminating a river I dare say they would soon be collared by the EA so I found that accusation implausible. That destroyed my faith in his other arguments about the viability of manufactured protein somewhat and increased my sceptisism that it could stack up environmentally and practically. I found it hard to believe that he can obtain the equivalent energy from renewable resources that we presently collect via grassland and crops from the sun, without needing a vast amount of solar panels and wind turbines.
The organic farm producing food without manure on a supposedly sustainable basis was "interesting" yet took some believing. Maybe on some soils with vast reserves it's possible to keep removing nutrients through cropping without replacing them, but you wouldn't do that for very long here.
An interesting programme, but he has still taken many more plane rides than I have which makes him a bit of a hypocrite in my view.
I'm always a bit cautious to make this point but soya meal is not given away for free, it may well be a waste product but if it's being sold then its adding to the viability of growing soya. If it was actually a waste product and cost to get rid of it then soya production would be much less viable.
I dont believe for one second that deforestation for soya is entirely the farmers fault, but we are not entirely innocent either
Tha Ulsterscot
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- Location
- Greyabbey Co. Down.
Public service announcement:
Channel 4 have recently invested a seven figure sum in The Meatless Farm Company. A provider of highly processed, highly travelled, highly packaged, highly profitable, gloop.
They, like Mr Monbiot, are in it for the money.
Just so you know.
Wye Community Farm on climate change: cutting through the bull.
There is little that is unsustainable about eating local meat; we have been doing so since we came down from the trees.
There is much that is unsustainable about getting your protein - whether it be beef or soya - from halfway around the planet.
If you are concerned about climate change - and you should be - then eat local and don't shop at supermarkets.
And why isn't Government telling you this ?
Because Government is controlled by global corporations, who are more powerful than Government.
And why are they so powerful ?
Because you give them all of your money.
You need to stop doing this, now.
If there is to be a future, it will be local.
Channel 4 have recently invested a seven figure sum in The Meatless Farm Company. A provider of highly processed, highly travelled, highly packaged, highly profitable, gloop.
They, like Mr Monbiot, are in it for the money.
Just so you know.
Wye Community Farm on climate change: cutting through the bull.
There is little that is unsustainable about eating local meat; we have been doing so since we came down from the trees.
There is much that is unsustainable about getting your protein - whether it be beef or soya - from halfway around the planet.
If you are concerned about climate change - and you should be - then eat local and don't shop at supermarkets.
And why isn't Government telling you this ?
Because Government is controlled by global corporations, who are more powerful than Government.
And why are they so powerful ?
Because you give them all of your money.
You need to stop doing this, now.
If there is to be a future, it will be local.
Tha Ulsterscot
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- Location
- Greyabbey Co. Down.
Above copied from another forum.
I look at it the other way, they like to say Soya is grown for animals but I prefer to point out that it is grown primarily for the oil and the byproduct that ends up for livestock, although the bigger percentage, is the less valuable part.
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- East Yorkshire
I have an area that has been left to its own devices, after being covered in excavated subsoil. Willow and birch soon started to colonise it where the seed source was closest. Hawthorne and Oak appear further out, along with Wild Rose and Gorse. It’s a fascinating process, and can produce rich and attractive landscapes, that would be difficult to reproduce intentionally.
Of course the UK’s pastoral landscapes can also be rich in biodiversity and much of our wildlife has adapted and evolved alongside our farming activities. There are always winners and losers with environmental change, and Mr Monbiot‘s conclusion that everything would be necessarily ‘better’ in his visionary world, is overly simplistic.
However, there is some logic to his ideas, and overall, it would probably be no bad thing if we eat less meat: indeed, as he suggested, it might be a necessity if we are to feed everyone in the future. I really can’t see people rushing, en masse, to switch to an ‘artificial’ meat diet though: people are quite naturaly cautious about what they put into their mouths. Also; as others have pointed out, it would leave us highly vulnerable to mischief if we had to rely on just a few large factories to feed us.
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
Why should you take on the guilt for Brazilian criminals that have some considerable backing from their own government. I’m certainly not.
I am not “we”.
- Location
- North Somerset.
Rather than complain to C4 and be fobbed of why not make a note of the companies whose advertisements run before, during and after the programme and point out that they are supporting propaganda that means you and yours wint be buying their products. If enough do it and advertisers withdraw from C4 they are finished.