Monbiot's TV show.....Apocalypse Cow: How Meat Killed the Planet

[Pond digger]

Boundaries for you in the next couple of days, eh?

You’ve lost me, but I admit to being thick.?

 

[honeyend]

Just because we can feed it to cattle doesn't mean we have to. Or that we should pay for it.
I just find it a difficult argument to make that it's not farmings fault it's humans fault, like we aren't human or we don't contribute in any way. just because its not frown specifically for animal food doesnt mean that we dont benefit from it being grown.
As an aside palm oil is more land efficient than soya so replacing it with that a arguably a good thing

Soya is the only compleat plant protein, so if you are not eating meat, its the best thing to eat, its easily made in to a mince subitute,and its cheap TVP. 500g could feed a family of four at least three meals. Its been around for years. If people were really interested in veganism sales would go up.
It is mostly sold in the basic ranges section of supermarkets,

Tesco Wholefood Soya Mince - Tesco Groceries

Dried soya mince made from textured soya protein.

www.tesco.com

Its funny no one mentions it, because it either not trendy, or their is no added value money to be made from it, unless its hydrated and frozen and sold a vegatable mince. Or perhaps it because it undermines the vegan arguement that eating plants causes less damage because to feed the planet cheaply production would have to increase. Its production would also be more difficult to control, not like patented fake meat.

 

[Pond digger]

I wonder what Mr Monbiot thinks about the vast herds of herbivores in Africa and formerly (before white man killed em all) in the American prairies? They obviously kept the woodland at bay over vast areas.

 

[ifindoubtflatout]

Sorry to bang on about it but I’ve been cross about this all day
the area of land above the TreeLine is called Montane
This is an excellent scientific paper all about it in the UK from Natural England
Print it out and use it to counter the “plant trees in the uplands” vegan arguement

http://publications.naturalengland.org.uk/file/81066

 

[egbert]

Sorry to bang on about it but I’ve been cross about this all day
the area of land above the TreeLine is called Montane
This is an excellent scientific paper all about it in the UK from Natural England
Print it out and use it to counter the “plant trees in the uplands” vegan arguement

http://publications.naturalengland.org.uk/file/81066

won't open for me

 

[roscoe erf]

Just noticed the program that is due to be broadcast directly before Monbiot’s effort.

Does not look like that will be worth watching either.

C4 looks as if they have a definite agenda...

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and now this
https://www.farminguk.com/news/farm...VYo2WQJ82ch_0iHo_XnMkNITYiD01lF6Dwcek2r1bul1k

 

[Henarar]

and now this
https://www.farminguk.com/news/farm...VYo2WQJ82ch_0iHo_XnMkNITYiD01lF6Dwcek2r1bul1k

@JP1

 

[Suffolk Serf]

@JP1

We (prompted by JP1) were onto this yesterday but the NPA were already on the case. I'm sure that Lizzie won't let it go!

 

[Still Farming]

BBC 1 Wales Dirty Vegan on now.
Dirty Sanchez star Pritch ???

 

[Pilatus]

Surely once Channel 4 show a crime being commited involving animals, will they not be inclined to show a criminal act being commited e.g a woman being raped , to feed warped minded individuals brains , like the ones who will watch "How to steal a pig and influence people" . Seems to me if Channel4 are not breaking some rule or law when showing the programme about "How to Steal A Pig" that they will have set a precedent for other TV channels to follow suit , they might as well show a programme "How to become a terrorist and influence people",absolutely dreadful.

 

[renewablejohn]

Sorry to bang on about it but I’ve been cross about this all day
the area of land above the TreeLine is called Montane
This is an excellent scientific paper all about it in the UK from Natural England
Print it out and use it to counter the “plant trees in the uplands” vegan arguement

http://publications.naturalengland.org.uk/file/81066

Quite agree with you. There is a similar tree line in Australia at between 1800 mtrs to 2000 mtrs but all I got was abuse because there mountains are so much bigger than UK hills therefore they have so much more high forests to catch fire.

 

[primmiemoo]

You’ve lost me, but I admit to being thick.?

Good for oiling cricket bats, ... ... etc., linseed [whistling emoji]

 

[Gulli]

Obviously the livestock industry utilises the soyabean meal (oil removed), but I would have thought that was a good use for it - turning a byproduct into food.

It could be eaten directly by humans I suppose, but humans don't seem to want to eat all that is available after the oil extraction process.

Don't see many people wanting to munch on palm kernal, rapeseed meal or sunflower hulls either.

I do take your point, but personally think that it is a good news livestock story.

Agree that livestock are excellent converters of low feed value products into tasty deliciousness

 

[Sharpy]

Rather than complain to C4 and be fobbed of why not make a note of the companies whose advertisements run before, during and after the programme and point out that they are supporting propaganda that means you and yours wint be buying their products. If enough do it and advertisers withdraw from C4 they are finished.

Cracking idea!

 

[bitwrx]

That's when it gets complicated, the dairy boys are being discouraged from killing bull calves but B&W bulls can only be effectively finished on a grain based diet.

Why do they need 'finish' if the entire carcase gets put through a mincer and sold as lean mince?
Is even the most low-cost of grazing systems uneconomic at current deadweight prices for carcases with poor conformation (to an arbitrary set of criteria)?

ETA. I'd like to try this out. Wanted: 10 dairy bull calves, weaned and healthy. Location Wiltshire. PM me. Also wanted: route to market for (up to!) 10 dairy bulls. Not joking on either count.

 

[Daddy Pig]

Anybody seen the new add for Quorn Mince, "do you bit for climate change and make the change to Quorn Mince" time to get the ASA on the case

 

[delilah]

time to get the ASA on the case

I would be happier with AHDB on the case.
Whingeing to regulatory bodies is all a bit pathetic for such a strong, proud industry. Much better to spend our time and money on advertizing the environmental benefits of our product.

 

[ifindoubtflatout]

Here’s a thought. Monbiot said you use energy to split a water molecule to produce hydrogen to make this new super food.

there is a finite amount of water on the planet. It’s recycled through the water cycle. It’s not made.
Therefore if we split the water molecule to make food like Monbiot wants then we will run out of water eventually ???

and probably die from Oxygen poisoning as the O from the split molecule will go into the atmosphere upsetting the ratio of O in the air

just thinking out loud really and happy to be proved wrong. I’m a farmer not a scientist

 

[bitwrx]

Here’s a thought. Monbiot said you use energy to split a water molecule to produce hydrogen to make this new super food.

there is a finite amount of water on the planet. It’s recycled through the water cycle. It’s not made.
Therefore if we split the water molecule to make food like Monbiot wants then we will run out of water eventually ???

and probably die from Oxygen poisoning as the O from the split molecule will go into the atmosphere upsetting the ratio of O in the air

just thinking out loud really and happy to be proved wrong. I’m a farmer not a scientist

I think we'll be fine for water - the H will end up finding an O to buddy up with eventually. The real question is where the hell all the energy will come from to split the water up into its component elements in the first place. Splitting up stable molecules is hard work.

 

[Katarina]

Could be something to do with molecular physics and its dynamics .