More dead cat distraction

[stewart]

Supply & demand trumps all else!

As does low interest rates. Average house price in our region is close to $1,000,000

 

[BrianV]

As does low interest rates. Average house price in our region is close to $1,000,000

Doesn't seem to help when buying diesel or fertiliser.

 

[arcobob]

High house prices and rents are not unique to the UK.

I read an article by an Aussie journalist who said that Wellington had some of the least affordable housing in the world and that making a decent living in NZ was now nearly impossible. People are now moving to Australia, partly because they can but the cost of living is much lower.
I can well envisage that all that could change fairly rapidly as the place warms up more. Brisbane is apparently the favoured location but I don`t think it would be mine.

 

[stewart]

I read an article by an Aussie journalist who said that Wellington had some of the least affordable housing in the world and that making a decent living in NZ was now nearly impossible. People are now moving to Australia, partly because they can but the cost of living is much lower.
I can well envisage that all that could change fairly rapidly as the place warms up more. Brisbane is apparently the favoured location but I don`t think it would be mine.

Auckland would be the least affordable. Making a living here is not too difficult if you’re prepared to work. Kiwis have always gone to Aussie, wages are higher and if you’re prepared to work in the mines you get some great pay rates. It also has the added advantage of lifting both countries average IQ

 

[Woolless]

This imperial measurements rollocks is just a straight play to the Daily Mail readership. Absolutely pathetic!

@Hindsight is right, Brexit voters sure didn't vote to swap immigrants with white faces for those with dark ones. But some immigrants are required, hence more job vacancies than unemployed. Be careful what you wish for...

 

[BrianV]

This imperial measurements rollocks is just a straight play to the Daily Mail readership. Absolutely pathetic!

@Hindsight is right, Brexit voters sure didn't vote to swap immigrants with white faces for those with dark ones. But some immigrants are required, hence more job vacancies than unemployed. Be careful what you wish for...

It's just another ploy in the Johnson play book to try & keep himself in place.

 

[arcobob]

It's just another ploy in the Johnson play book to try & keep himself in place.

Well if that is the case it won`t count for much. Anyway I thought draught beer was always sold in pints. Has someone been lifting my leg all these years?
I am sorry but Ifirmly believe that, with the exception of the old and infirm, most intelligent and practical people can convert metric to imperial and vice versa even knowing fraction of an inch equivalents if they have been using the spanners. Metric is definitely easier in many respects as long qs the number of noughts and digits doesn`t confuse but for many old school they knew what an acre looked like but a hectare is more difficult to picture.

 

[ollie989898]

Scraps for the UKIP Tory Hate Europe faithful, meanwhile in the real world migration into UK is a record high. Not white East Europeans but filipinos, Nigerians, Indians. Oh hw delicious. Kippers took back control, removed freedom of movement for Europenas and Brits into Europe (next door) and instead they come from afar. Was forecast by Remain. But no Leave wouldn't have it. Hey ho.

bbc Archives - Migration Watch UK Blog

www.migrationwatchuk.org

Immigration statistics, year ending March 2022

Quarterly and annual statistics relating to those: coming to the UK, extending their stay, gaining citizenship, applying for asylum, and being detained or removed, as well as immigration for work, study and family reasons, including new visa routes where these are operational.

www.gov.uk

I'm confused.

The UK surely wants to attract skilled workers from around the world who are skilled and hardworking? Please could you explain to my highly skilled nurse colleague who happens to be from Nigeria why she should not be treated equally compared to an EU national when wanting to work in this country? Apparently a passport with the letters E and U on it means you could formerly travel freely to the UK no questions asked?

This is the thing Europhiles never got, it's not a free movement of people you want to encourage, it's the free movement of labour. These are not the same things.

 

[HatsOff]

Please could you explain to my highly skilled nurse colleague who happens to be from Nigeria why she should not be treated equally compared to an EU national when wanting to work in this country?

Because under the EU freedom of movement (which was also about freedom of labour - if you were unemployed there was no automatic right) there were reciprocal rights for UK citizens.

It is clear to me that during the referendum debate, when immigration was discussed the idea was that numbers would reduce (as was stated Tory manifesto policy). It doesn't concern me that hasn't happened, but it is a bit disingenuous to not recognise that is what people who voted leave would have expected to be the result of Brexit.

 

[Lowland1]

They wonder why house prices & rents are so high in the UK, where an earth do they think these people will live, I’m afraid we older people have seen the best of this country & you have to feel sorry for our youngsters as it can only continue to get worse with the politicians we have, these days house building keeps the country afloat.

Immigrants don’t generally come on the off chance of finding work. They come to fill a void. I know dozens of people who have gone from Kenya to the UK They have gone to fill jobs not on spec.The big problem is people are living longer and they still need services and supplies so the labour has to come from outside. Farage and his mates failed to explain population demographics to the electorate. As for the housing ‘shortage’ being caused by immigration i am a bit dubious surely your average immigrant needs a bedsit near to the hospital or care home. not a four bed detached in the home counties.

 

[ollie989898]

Because under the EU freedom of movement (which was also about freedom of labour - if you were unemployed there was no automatic right) there were reciprocal rights for UK citizens.

It is clear to me that during the referendum debate, when immigration was discussed the idea was that numbers would reduce (as was stated Tory manifesto policy). It doesn't concern me that hasn't happened, but it is a bit disingenuous to not recognise that is what people who voted leave would have expected to be the result of Brexit.

I'm unconvinced I am afraid.

The fact remains that the authorities, starting back as early at Tony Blair, did not realise the sheer numbers of people that would flock to the UK and public spending has not kept pace with the demand for services.

The UK also had a very poor border control system which was left unattended during the UK's time in the EU. It also has no way of dealing with undocumented or illegally entered foreign nationals, whether they are from within the EU or otherwise.

What the solution to all this is I have no idea but I do know the UK should have a visa system that mimics that used in Canada/USA/Australia. The UK welfare and social systems are seen as very desirable by many and unfortunately the cost of providing these is escalating rapidly. Meanwhile, healthcare, education, the police and prison systems have not been invested in to the tune of anything like the required scale to cope with the larger population.

The UK government also needs to radically reform various parts of the machinery of the state. For example, I know through contacts in the social care system that there are significant numbers of foreign nationals who have entered the UK with minimal or zero documentation, claim they are in fact under 18 and so granted automatic protections such as housing and the like and so are living entirely by abusing the system. Dealing with people who are able to professionally play the system is a long standing and costly problem, complicated by legal bods who use human rights laws to flummox the authorities.

The issue is that many people on this forum are living lives that mean they are totally removed from any of the realities I have outlined and will never encounter any of these issues.

I am all in favour of the freedom of labour, the UK has much to offer skilled people from wherever they hail in the world, I do not see why Europeans should be given automatic access to the UK housing or job market when people from other parts of the world offer equal experience, skill or qualifications. I will also reiterate the point that the UK has a sizeable foreign aid policy, into which millions of pounds are sent annually. These monies should not be sent to any country with nuclear weapons or a space program (i.e. India) and should instead be used to support countries with problems that are genuinely affecting the lives of their populations. I do not see why the UK should accept asylum from people who have travelled halfway around the world and certainly not from France. People caught living in the UK illegally or caught trying to enter the UK illegally should have their biometric data taken and then deported immediately. This has gone on far too long.

 

[HatsOff]

I'm unconvinced I am afraid.

The fact remains that the authorities, starting back as early at Tony Blair, did not realise the sheer numbers of people that would flock to the UK and public spending has not kept pace with the demand for services.

The UK also had a very poor border control system which was left unattended during the UK's time in the EU. It also has no way of dealing with undocumented or illegally entered foreign nationals, whether they are from within the EU or otherwise.

What the solution to all this is I have no idea but I do know the UK should have a visa system that mimics that used in Canada/USA/Australia. The UK welfare and social systems are seen as very desirable by many and unfortunately the cost of providing these is escalating rapidly. Meanwhile, healthcare, education, the police and prison systems have not been invested in to the tune of anything like the required scale to cope with the larger population.

The UK government also needs to radically reform various parts of the machinery of the state. For example, I know through contacts in the social care system that there are significant numbers of foreign nationals who have entered the UK with minimal or zero documentation, claim they are in fact under 18 and so granted automatic protections such as housing and the like and so are living entirely by abusing the system. Dealing with people who are able to professionally play the system is a long standing and costly problem, complicated by legal bods who use human rights laws to flummox the authorities.

The issue is that many people on this forum are living lives that mean they are totally removed from any of the realities I have outlined and will never encounter any of these issues.

I mean... I may be mistaken but none of what you've typed here is relevant to what I said, or the question you asked.

Did you mean to quote me?

 

[ollie989898]

I mean... I may be mistaken but none of what you've typed here is relevant to what I said, or the question you asked.

Did you mean to quote me?

Fudge knows, it's all gone to rat much now. I give up.

 

[le bon paysan]

They said I had a unusual bacteria in my abdominal cavity, apparently after the surgery I had its usual to put people on antibiotics which they did for me but they take swabs from various places and see what grows, the ones they put me on didnt work and it takes a while to discover that and by then it had got hold of me, I guess due to the scale of the operation the body struggles to fight bugs.
Could have been a bug I picked up from farming, they did say what it was but can't remember, he did say he had to look it up as he wasnt familiar with it, it must have been pretty aggressive as I lost 2 stone in about 10 days fighting it.
A lovely guy about 73 came in about three weeks after me with the cancer they thought I had, his was quite advanced so could only bypass the bile duct, he got sepsis too and passed away while I was in there on thursday having another ct scan.

Geez, that sounds bad.
You take care and get your strength up. Look after yourself.
Best wishes
lbp

 

[le bon paysan]

I'm confused.

The UK surely wants to attract skilled workers from around the world who are skilled and hardworking? Please could you explain to my highly skilled nurse colleague who happens to be from Nigeria why she should not be treated equally compared to an EU national when wanting to work in this country? Apparently a passport with the letters E and U on it means you could formerly travel freely to the UK no questions asked?

This is the thing Europhiles never got, it's not a free movement of people you want to encourage, it's the free movement of labour. These are not the same things.

And the uk had the same mechanism to remove people after 3 months that the rest of the EU did and notably Belgium were red hot on doing!
Yet the EU get the blame for the uk governments lack of action.
France among others refused Polish/ ex Eastern block workers for 7 years as allowed by the EU accession agreement.

 

[ollie989898]

And the uk had the same mechanism to remove people after 3 months that the rest of the EU did and notably Belgium were red hot on doing!
Yet the EU get the blame for the uk governments lack of action.
France among others refused Polish/ ex Eastern block workers for 7 years as allowed by the EU accession agreement.

I'm not debating that. I am stating that the idea of giving EU workers priority over international workers was foolhardy and dubious.

 

[le bon paysan]

I'm not debating that. I am stating that the idea of giving EU workers priority over international workers was foolhardy and dubious.

Well those Poles are now going to be replaced by Indians under the trade agreement.
Is that what people voted for?
Replacing one lot of immigrants with another for a worse trade deal?

 

[ollie989898]

Well those Poles are now going to be replaced by Indians under the trade agreement.
Is that what people voted for?
Replacing one lot of immigrants with another for a worse trade deal?

The trade deal you speak of, would that be the same one where the trading deficit with the EU widened every year the UK was a member?

Indian nationals must already be eligible to live and work in the UK, I work with a great many of them and the NHS has recruiting drives over there.

 

[le bon paysan]

The trade deal you speak of, would that be the same one where the trading deficit with the EU widened every year the UK was a member?

Indian nationals must already be eligible to live and work in the UK, I work with a great many of them and the NHS has recruiting drives over there.

Well its carp now and won't get better.
A whole lot easier if you signed up to the Veterinary standards, but the government is set on lowering standards, its why they won't sign it.

Why are Indian nurses any different to EU nurses?
Personally wouldn't care who my nurse was as long as they are competent.

 

[arcobob]

The trade deal you speak of, would that be the same one where the trading deficit with the EU widened every year the UK was a member?

Indian nationals must already be eligible to live and work in the UK, I work with a great many of them and the NHS has recruiting drives over there.

Surely the contributions to this crumbling club should have reduced accordingly or in other words the subs reduced ?