More Sheep?

[devonbrion1998]

I have just been offered two lots of free grazing for the winter months, about 40 ac
im currently running about 100 Ewes on our own land, with varied success and was thinking store lambs?
its good pasture and not really ever had any sheep on it
,I have good access to finishing rations from a local farmer at a good price same with silage
All sounds to good to be true? and you know what they say about that,
The issue here is we have just lost a long-standing estate contract which was a great buffer income for me should times get hard, what I am saying is this needs to work or I could well be in the soup.
What would folk do given this Brexit scenario ect? Thanks..

 

[yellowbelly]

What would folk do given this Brexit scenario ect?

Trouble is, nobody knows - it's a gamble whatever you do. How lucky do you feel?

Don't look a gift horse in the mouth - if it's clean grazing, you can take your existing sheep there (they will probably do better) and rest your own grass to make hay/silage or graze some cattle.

 

[farmerm]

All indications point to a no deal exit on 31st October. A very significant portion of our lamb is exported to Europe. Under international law a no deal would mean on the 1st November the EU have to impose 40% tariff on UK lamb, that would kill our EU exports overnight. Our domestic market will be flooded and the price will collapse. I hope I am proved wrong, but looking at this Autumn/winter, what other scenario is there?

 

[devonbrion1998]

Truth is I don't feel very lucky at the moment I have invested very heavily in our firewood side this year, like everyone I guess need to make some money and stop spending it, my Ewes and lambs are already the other side of the village on Yes, more free grazing, and our fields are growing like crazy
not to mention my very first crop of Turnips that are flying, this old farming malarky is like a famine or a feast
Trouble is this would be an ongoing thing and once you say no you don't get asked again
maybe get my head around some store cattle on our land and spread the sheep thinly
over theres until Brexit is over

 

[Socksitis]

If it is free grazing take it, don't miss an opportunity. Nothing dictates that you have to make this free land pay this year, why not graze it with your sheep, cut any surplus grass, keep it tidy, keep a foot in the door and wait and see what happens. Opportunities do not pass by twice. You have nothing to lose - the gamble only comes if you increase sheep numbers. Why not keep back a few extra ewe lambs and run them on, lamb them and see what the couples market is like next spring?

 

[Werzle]

All indications point to a no deal exit on 31st October. A very significant portion of our lamb is exported to Europe. Under international law a no deal would mean on the 1st November the EU have to impose 40% tariff on UK lamb, that would kill our EU exports overnight. Our domestic market will be flooded and the price will collapse. I hope I am proved wrong, but looking at this Autumn/winter, what other scenario is there?

Cash all your sheep now and buy them back at half money in november/ december before trade goes back to normal in the new year when france realises it cant source them from anywhere else

 

[MF 135 Man]

Truth is I don't feel very lucky at the moment I have invested very heavily in our firewood side this year, like everyone I guess need to make some money and stop spending it, my Ewes and lambs are already the other side of the village on Yes, more free grazing, and our fields are growing like crazy
not to mention my very first crop of Turnips that are flying, this old farming malarky is like a famine or a feast
Trouble is this would be an ongoing thing and once you say no you don't get asked again
maybe get my head around some store cattle on our land and spread the sheep thinly
over theres until Brexit is over

Move the 40 acres to wales and ill graze if for free, ill buy more sheep to graze it!

But i also have a full time job that pays the bills so the risk isn't very high for me!

If it was me id take it then figure out what to do with it, get down the market and see what you can pick up at the right price rather than deciding first. Money can be made at running any sheep system its just buying them at the right price to start with and looking after them and then selling right! easy right.

My two suggestions -
Buy draft hill ewes lamb them down and sell as couples or fat. (not sure how far you need to go to find draft ewes)

Buy ewe lambs shear them in the next long dry warm spell and watch them grow.

P.S. the above is assuming that the lamb market wont collapse

 

[lloyd]

Move the 40 acres to wales and ill graze if for free, ill buy more sheep to graze it!

But i also have a full time job that pays the bills so the risk isn't very high for me!

If it was me id take it then figure out what to do with it, get down the market and see what you can pick up at the right price rather than deciding first. Money can be made at running any sheep system its just buying them at the right price to start with and looking after them and then selling right! easy right.

My two suggestions -
Buy draft hill ewes lamb them down and sell as couples or fat. (not sure how far you need to go to find draft ewes)

Buy ewe lambs shear them in the next long dry warm spell and watch them grow.

P.S. the above is assuming that the lamb market wont collapse

In a normal year you'd be spot on .
Trouble is it looks like we're entering choppy waters.

 

[sticky]

Take the ground, worm your sheep and move them there. Go and top everything else you have and make it look tidy. Everybody who has land likes to see it tidy and they will think you are doing a grand job for them.

 

[sticky]

Then see what happens and make your business decisions when/if the picture becomes clearer.

 

[MF 135 Man]

Cash all your sheep now and buy them back at half money in november/ december before trade goes back to normal in the new year when france realises it cant source them from anywhere else

In a normal year you'd be spot on .
Trouble is it looks like we're entering choppy waters.

exactly why i wrote the P.S. at the bottom

 

[Poorbuthappy]

Take the ground, worm your sheep and move them there. Go and top everything else you have and make it look tidy. Everybody who has land likes to see it tidy and they will think you are doing a grand job for them.

Good way to start breeding resistant worms in your sheep...

 

[Woolless]

As the grazing is for the winter months, you won't need to have the extra stock until nearer the time. If the Brexit hits the fan, stores across the board will take a knock but numbers are sure to be tighter in the spring. I would take on the grass, buy the stock to utilise it and/or your bumper crop of neeps much nearer the time. I would be buying grazing ewes or store lambs to kill in the spring. I wouldn't want to get too involved with breeding stock at the minute.

I wish someone would offer me 40 acres of good winter grass for nowt

 

[Tim W]

Never fear Boris is here----
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-russian-roulette-sheep-industry-johnson-told

 

[Woolless]

Never fear Boris is here----
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-russian-roulette-sheep-industry-johnson-told

That's what worries me...

 

[fgc325j]

All indications point to a no deal exit on 31st October. A very significant portion of our lamb is exported to Europe. Under international law a no deal would mean on the 1st November the EU have to impose 40% tariff on UK lamb, that would kill our EU exports overnight. Our domestic market will be flooded and the price will collapse. I hope I am proved wrong, but looking at this Autumn/winter, what other scenario is there?

Hi, my understanding of trading with WTO rules, which we can only assume will happen if we leave with a No Deal,
is that IF there is a one way trade with a produce, they take a lot of our lamb- but no/very little French lamb comes
in return, then there a tariff will be imposed. BUT if there is other produce which flows from France to the UK, and
ther is no/very little of this produce sold back from the UK to France - then the UK will apply a Tariff on this product.
So - under WTO rules, both countries can agree to cancel the tariffs on their respective produce, and so have a
tariff-free trade. And what does France export into the UK, this country being their best customer, Champagne

 

[spin cycle]

All indications point to a no deal exit on 31st October. A very significant portion of our lamb is exported to Europe. Under international law a no deal would mean on the 1st November the EU have to impose 40% tariff on UK lamb, that would kill our EU exports overnight. Our domestic market will be flooded and the price will collapse. I hope I am proved wrong, but looking at this Autumn/winter, what other scenario is there?

eu doesn't have to impose a tarriff i don't think....it's what they're allowed to.....i agree they would be likely to though......boris is either going to have to pay or put 40 % on german cars.....i'm gonna tag @Goweresque .....cos he explained tarriffs to me....in case i'm wrong

 

[Goweresque]

eu doesn't have to impose a tarriff i don't think....it's what they're allowed to.....i agree they would be likely to though......boris is either going to have to pay or put 40 % on german cars.....i'm gonna tag @Goweresque .....cos he explained tarriffs to me....in case i'm wrong

The EU does have to impose a tariff on its imports of UK lamb, yes, thats the nature of the tariff barrier around the EU (the customs union as its called). Lamb from anywhere in the world going into the EU has that tariff (though there are often quotas that are tariff free - one assumes not all NZ lamb attracts a 40% tariff). However the UK doesn't have to impose any tariffs at all onto lamb (or indeed anything) it imports. The only requirement under WTO rules is that you can't pick and choose who you put a tariff on. You can't say cars from Country A have a 10% tariff but cars from country B are tariff free for example. You set a tariff for a particular product and that applies regardless of the country of origin. Its to prevent tit for tat trade wars.

 

[bobk]

The EU does have to impose a tariff on its imports of UK lamb, yes, thats the nature of the tariff barrier around the EU (the customs union as its called). Lamb from anywhere in the world going into the EU has that tariff (though there are often quotas that are tariff free - one assumes not all NZ lamb attracts a 40% tariff). However the UK doesn't have to impose any tariffs at all onto lamb (or indeed anything) it imports. The only requirement under WTO rules is that you can't pick and choose who you put a tariff on. You can't say cars from Country A have a 10% tariff but cars from country B are tariff free for example. You set a tariff for a particular product and that applies regardless of the country of origin. Its to prevent tit for tat trade wars.

Totally correct , but they will cos they're politicians who couldn't give a tupenny f**k for the working man , THE PROJECT IS THE AIM ..........

 

[spin cycle]

The EU does have to impose a tariff on its imports of UK lamb, yes, thats the nature of the tariff barrier around the EU (the customs union as its called). Lamb from anywhere in the world going into the EU has that tariff (though there are often quotas that are tariff free - one assumes not all NZ lamb attracts a 40% tariff). However the UK doesn't have to impose any tariffs at all onto lamb (or indeed anything) it imports. The only requirement under WTO rules is that you can't pick and choose who you put a tariff on. You can't say cars from Country A have a 10% tariff but cars from country B are tariff free for example. You set a tariff for a particular product and that applies regardless of the country of origin. Its to prevent tit for tat trade wars.

so when trump puts tarriffs on chinese products they actually apply to that product wherever in the world they come from?