Mower combinations

[BDBed]

Think kuhn do a grouper on 10ft models that the belt goes 2 directions

Do you which model that is?

 

[Grassnslurry]

Do you which model that is?

https://www.fwi.co.uk/machinery/gra...ent-mowers/kuhn-adds-grouper-disc-mower-range

 

[Bossfarmer]

I had a front and back trailed and it was a disaster to get in and out of places , too long and wide , I now have a 10 ft front and rear mounted pottinger which is very easy to get around , forget about swarding for baling , farmers want to wilt and ted so get a rake or lose the work , all grass is now spread with the mowers and raked around here now , it makes far better silage and less bales . Mowers with swarters are history around here and back 15 years ago every new mower had one fitted as standard.

swarter?

 

[Bossfarmer]

Keltec works the same way as pottinger, no good without the front mower if grouping. Were going to get away without raking here, dont get the weather here in the south west of ireland, too much mist and drizzle, farmers glad to get the bales made this way before the next shower of rain comes. Few contractors haves rakes but spend most the season parked

whats your annual rainfall and what do you mean my grouped? ive never worked a front mower here

 

[Grassnslurry]

whats your annual rainfall and what do you mean my grouped? ive never worked a front mower here

Id say aunnal rainfall is about 2000mm or more.

 

[Bossfarmer]

Id say aunnal rainfall is about 2000mm or more.

thats hellish, do you grow any cereal crops?

 

[Grassnslurry]

thats hellish, do you grow any cereal crops?

No all grass silage here. Ya its painfull cos if you go 20 miles east its like a different country climate wise

 

[Bossfarmer]

No all grass silage here. Ya its painfull cos if you go 20 miles east its like a different country climate wise

are you on irelands west coast?

 

[Grassnslurry]

are you on irelands west coast?

Ya down the south west

 

[ray09]

@Grassnslurry i don't know where your going with these wild statements about rakes being no good for your part of the country. I live in the west of Ireland and our rake goes out in front of the balers every day. It's a lot faster to bale after a rake and shaping a bale is no hassle.

Going back to your original question, I would reiterate what a lot of guys have said. Steer clear of a trailed and front combination. Too much time wasted opening up fields with just the rear mower and too much constant adjustment needed. Front and rear mounted with a rake is the way to go. No need for any adjusting like a trailer unit.

 

[Grassnslurry]

@Grassnslurry i don't know where your going with these wild statements about rakes being no good for your part of the country. I live in the west of Ireland and our rake goes out in front of the balers every day. It's a lot faster to bale after a rake and shaping a bale is no hassle.

Going back to your original question, I would reiterate what a lot of guys have said. Steer clear of a trailed and front combination. Too much time wasted opening up fields with just the rear mower and too much constant adjustment needed. Front and rear mounted with a rake is the way to go. No need for any adjusting like a trailer unit.

Wild statments? A rake is another tractor and man, drivers are getting scarser as the seasons go by. Idealy yes a rake is the job, makes baling quicker and nicer shape bales. We get over 2000mm of rain a year, alot of misty and drizzley days, rest of the county could have a heat wave. 4 rakes.in my area between 3 contractors, 1 by one gang that has never left the yard, 1 did maybe 200 acres max this season, other 2 maybe 800 acres between them and mostly used infront of there harvesters.

 

[Hilti]

I’d take 2000mm over my 3000mm + any year
As said front / rear mounted end of .
If weather allows rake it , if not bale it up in 10’s

 

[Finn farmer]

Elho manufactures rear mowers that do the grouping by an auger. The frame of the machine is made so that you can add another mowing unit to the other side (where the counter weight is located in the video). Easy way to increase output.

 

[Grassnslurry]

I’d take 2000mm over my 3000mm + any year
As said front / rear mounted end of .
If weather allows rake it , if not bale it up in 10’s

Are you getting 3000mm where you live? 95% of the silage been grouped by all contractors around me. Raking if fine but its another tractors and driver which arent there. Going forward getting drivers is going to become a big problem for contractors so keeping things simple and grouping mightnt be such a bad option

 

[Andrew]

If I was getting that amount of rainfall I wouldn’t consider grouping with the mower, you’d be left with a big, badly formed swath that will never dry. Silage is better if it’s not sopping wet, so if it’s in 2 rows it will dry a bit more, and if it pees down it will dry and you can get on a bit quicker.

Why not go for 2 plain mowers and a front mounted rake with the baler on the back?

 

[Grassnslurry]

If I was getting that amount of rainfall I wouldn’t consider grouping with the mower, you’d be left with a big, badly formed swath that will never dry. Silage is better if it’s not sopping wet, so if it’s in 2 rows it will dry a bit more, and if it pees down it will dry and you can get on a bit quicker.

Why not go for 2 plain mowers and a front mounted rake with the baler on the back?

Front mounted rake could be an option alright as it doesnt need an extra tractor. Has anyone any experience of them? I seen samazs have one released lately?

 

[Hilti]

I’ve a front mounted elho v rake, generally use it on its own working ahead to give the grass a chance to dry but have the option to run with the baler if required.
Like the way grass is rowed up without being driven on.

 

[Grassnslurry]

I’ve a front mounted elho v rake, generally use it on its own working ahead to give the grass a chance to dry but have the option to run with the baler if required.
Like the way grass is rowed up without being driven on.

Is it awkward when run on the baler tractors? How is row widht?

 

[Hilti]

Row width is perfect, nice square edged swath compared to a class twin rotor l occasionally follow.
Suppose it can be a bit awkward, best suited to more regular shaped fields as baler doesn’t follow the swath through tight corners.
After head rigs are out it’s no bother .
I cover a large area, being able to send rake & baler away a couple of hours ahead , drop of baler , row up giving it a chance to dry before wrapper arrives
Saves me a lot of travel time / fuel
Everyone is different, suits my situation well

 

[Grassnslurry]

They plan to have it folding up instead of swinging round the back, yes it can mow without grouping but spreads rather than swaths, & its done by hand so can't group a field with rear mower only if that's what you want.
What about Keltec? the grouper bit looks to have a ram going to it, but they don't show it mowing without grouping it so don't know.
I've tried the front & rear trailed for baling, yes it can work but you are always adjusting stuff to try & get the swath right, & sometimes you just can't.
Used to group all 2nd cut here but that day is gone, everything get's spread with the mower & raked now, I'd say that will come to you at some stage too, just a question of when.

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They plan to have it folding up instead of swinging round the back, yes it can mow without grouping but spreads rather than swaths, & its done by hand so can't group a field with rear mower only if that's what you want.
What about Keltec? the grouper bit looks to have a ram going to it, but they don't show it mowing without grouping it so don't know.
I've tried the front & rear trailed for baling, yes it can work but you are always adjusting stuff to try & get the swath right, & sometimes you just can't.
Used to group all 2nd cut here but that day is gone, everything get's spread with the mower & raked now, I'd say that will come to you at some stage too, just a question of when.

They plan to have it folding up instead of swinging round the back, yes it can mow without grouping but spreads rather than swaths, & its done by hand so can't group a field with rear mower only if that's what you want.
What about Keltec? the grouper bit looks to have a ram going to it, but they don't show it mowing without grouping it so don't know.
I've tried the front & rear trailed for baling, yes it can work but you are always adjusting stuff to try & get the swath right, & sometimes you just can't.
Used to group all 2nd cut here but that day is gone, everything get's spread with the mower & raked now, I'd say that will come to you at some stage too, just a question of when.

Are they hoping to change the cross flow to folding up instead of swinging back?