Mr Dyson is cleaning up..!

[Brisel]

Would you jealous types rather see these blocks of land sold to investors, pension company sorts and then rented out on short term FBTs?? Around our way so much land is owned and farmed like that , and it’s not a pretty site.

Where are you? Lots of land in Lincolnshire like that in the late noughties, changing hands every 2-3 years with £500/acre/year capital value growth and let by agents instructed to get what they could for farming it. A contract farmer next to me had a farm change hands 4 times with him farming it. No investment from any of the owners, poor drainage, falling down buildings yet they had 3 tenders of over £200/acre last time we bid for it (at less than £100/acre because of the poor state of it, blackgrass and all).

There's a lot of jealous folk in here who just want land at someone else's expense, with demands for the government to take it from the haves to gift it to the have-nots.

 

[Henarar]

There's a lot of jealous folk in here who just want land at someone else's expense, with demands for the government to take it from the haves to gift it to the have-nots.

Who are they ?

 

[Hilly]

Would you jealous types rather see these blocks of land sold to investors, pension company sorts and then rented out on short term FBTs?? Around our way so much land is owned and farmed like that , and it’s not a pretty site.

Exactly, pension investors up here buy huge tracts of land and plant it with trees, no one says a word against it but a farmer wants a wind farm all the toys come out the pram.

 

[glasshouse]

Would you jealous types rather see these blocks of land sold to investors, pension company sorts and then rented out on short term FBTs?? Around our way so much land is owned and farmed like that , and it’s not a pretty site.

No, they should not be allowed to buy it either

 

[glasshouse]

Where are you? Lots of land in Lincolnshire like that in the late noughties, changing hands every 2-3 years with £500/acre/year capital value growth and let by agents instructed to get what they could for farming it. A contract farmer next to me had a farm change hands 4 times with him farming it. No investment from any of the owners, poor drainage, falling down buildings yet they had 3 tenders of over £200/acre last time we bid for it (at less than £100/acre because of the poor state of it, blackgrass and all).

There's a lot of jealous folk in here who just want land at someone else's expense, with demands for the government to take it from the haves to gift it to the have-nots.

What crap
No one is saying take the land, just alter the laws to favour actual farmers and limit the payments to 500 ac
Just like france, if they can do it , so can we

 

[Brisel]

What crap
No one is saying take the land, just alter the laws to favour actual farmers and limit the payments to 500 ac
Just like france, if they can do it , so can we

What payments? BPS?

Ask a French farmer how profitable they are at the moment. The strong Euro means their prices are on the floor & there's nothing they can do about it. The only economies of scale they have are in their co-operatives. If you penalise the bigger farmers you make them less dependent on subs where the smaller ones are more addicted to them. Who will have the more resilient business when the subs do go?

Land ownership is a 20th Century phenomenon brought about by death duties. Virtually all farm land used to be tenanted before that & it might head back that way if land prices continue to rise beyond the earning capacity of that land. Have you considered moving to one of these socialist utopian countries?

 

[glasshouse]

What payments? BPS?

Ask a French farmer how profitable they are at the moment. The strong Euro means their prices are on the floor & there's nothing they can do about it. The only economies of scale they have are in their co-operatives. If you penalise the bigger farmers you make them less dependent on subs where the smaller ones are more addicted to them. Who will have the more resilient business when the subs do go?

Land ownership is a 20th Century phenomenon brought about by death duties. Virtually all farm land used to be tenanted before that & it might head back that way if land prices continue to rise beyond the earning capacity of that land. Have you considered moving to one of these socialist utopian countries?

More nonsense
The french achieve economy of scale through co operation not cannabalism which is the uk way.
And yes if i was 25yrs younger i would be over there away from this fuked up country
Land ownership isnot a "20th c phenomenon"
I presume you mean owner occupation?
Many countries have had owner occupation for centuries ie norway, denmark, Germany, france

 

[bobk]

More nonsense
The french achieve economy of scale through co operation not cannabalism which is the uk way.
And yes if i was 25yrs younger i would be over there away from this fuked up country
Land ownership isnot a "20th c phenomenon"
I presume you mean owner occupation?
Many countries have had owner occupation for centuries ie norway, denmark, Germany, france

French farming is all about sub , and it's a nice place to work .

 

[czechmate]

What payments? BPS?

Ask a French farmer how profitable they are at the moment. The strong Euro means their prices are on the floor & there's nothing they can do about it. The only economies of scale they have are in their co-operatives. If you penalise the bigger farmers you make them less dependent on subs where the smaller ones are more addicted to them. Who will have the more resilient business when the subs do go?

Land ownership is a 20th Century phenomenon brought about by death duties. Virtually all farm land used to be tenanted before that & it might head back that way if land prices continue to rise beyond the earning capacity of that land. Have you considered moving to one of these socialist utopian countries?

What prices are on the floor in France?
Compared to what? Where? Or when?

 

[czechmate]

French farming is all about sub , and it's a nice place to work .

Is it ALL about sub? I can send (and do) a bull that yields a carcass of 500 kg and I get paid for 500 kg. I thought I read on here, a lot don't get paid for the extra over 400kg. The prices my local friends get for their lambs are incompatible to what my bro used to get. Cereals seem much the same as for a while I was selling on the mainland and the island at the same time.

 

[czechmate]

French farming is all about sub , and it's a nice place to work .

It's a sh!t place to work. Never rose above freezing all day today

 

[bobk]

It's a sh!t place to work. Never rose above freezing all day today

And it's too hot and dry in the summer .

 

[glasshouse]

It's a sh!t place to work. Never rose above freezing all day today

Just go skiiing!

 

[digger64]

[QUOTE="Brisel, post: 4849586, member: 16particularly are you? Lots of land in Lincolnshire like that in the late noughties, changing hands every 2-3 years with £500/acre/year capital value growth and let by agents instructed to get what they could for farming it. A contract farmer next to me had a farm change hands 4 times with him farming it. No investment from any of the owners, poor drainage, falling down buildings yet they had 3 tenders of over £200/acre last time we bid for it (at less than £100/acre because of the poor state of it, blackgrass and all).

There's a lot of jealous folk in here who just want land at someone else's expense, with demands for the government to take it from the haves to gift it to the have-nots.[/QUOTE]
Alot in hand estates farmed like that to particularly the ones with agents involved alot of very shortterm thinking instead of finding the rent they have to find drawings and fees

 

[farenheit]

What crap
No one is saying take the land, just alter the laws to favour actual farmers and limit the payments to 500 ac

Just a bit of clarifcation required..."actual farmers"? I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) that James Dyson has a few tractors?

 

[Brisel]

More nonsense
The french achieve economy of scale through co operation not cannabalism which is the uk way.
And yes if i was 25yrs younger i would be over there away from this fuked up country
Land ownership isnot a "20th c phenomenon"
I presume you mean owner occupation?
Many countries have had owner occupation for centuries ie norway, denmark, Germany, france

Yes, I meant to say owner occupiers.

 

[glasshouse]

Just a bit of clarifcation required..."actual farmers"? I'm pretty sure (correct me if I'm wrong) that James Dyson has a few tractors?

500 ac limit on sub

 

[farenheit]

500 ac limit on sub

So the state just has to prop up the least efficient arbitrarily? I know plenty of 300 acre farmers who are far wealthier than some 1000 acre farmers I know...

 

[digger64]

What payments? BPS?

Ask a French farmer how profitable they are at the moment. The strong Euro means their prices are on the floor & there's nothing they can do about it. The only economies of scale they have are in their co-operatives. If you penalise the bigger farmers you make them less dependent on subs where the smaller ones are more addicted to them. Who will have the more resilient business when the subs do go?

Land ownership is a 20th Century phenomenon brought about by death duties. Virtually all farm land used to be tenanted before that & it might head back that way if land prices continue to rise beyond the earning capacity of that land. Have you considered moving to one of these socialist utopian countries?

If the sub goes or is realistically capped alot of land on large estates will be let fbt due to overheads but if they allow it to go into enviro schemes then the new setaside will set the rent or prevent it assuming ex farm prices remained similar , but while land values and rents remain above earning capacity cries for help look rather silly
to the rest of the population apr and subs create this mess ,sooner or later reality will come home

 

[digger64]

[QUOcan bearenheit, post: 4852282, member: 27402"]So the state just has to prop up the least efficient arbitrarily? I know plenty of 300 acre farmers who are far wealthier than some 1000 acre farmers I know...[/QUOTE]
You can be as efficient as you like , if someone outbids you with money not related to the enterprise/proposition because they can- you are out of business big small or whatever