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phil

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In FW, if you right clicked on the farm, it will have exported all the fields together as one .shp file and it will show as one file on the terminal. If you want individual fields, I don't think there is any way to do this easily other than go through and export them individually. The name of the boundary appears on the terminal just as you named it in Windows when you saved it to the memory stick.
HTH

Right oh I'll do a test run then fill the kettle [emoji27]
 

phil

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Wexford
Advice from Farmsworks, I will try this tomorrow and report

Might be handy info for others

Phil


We do export boundaries into the TaskData folder to take to the Mueller console. Please follow these steps:


1. Go to File menu and select Write Job data.

2. Open the option for the Mueller and select either the card or file option.

3. Click the Resource List button found in lower left hand corner.

4. Make the correct C/F/F selections, can also go to the Inputs tab and make desired selections. Select the Options tab and check the box to Export Boundaries. Click OK.

5. Then if selecting the File option, browse to desired folder option and click Select Folder button.

6. Click OK at the WJ Data


If you do not see the Mueller option within the Write Job Data option, close and click the Help Menu and go to Check for updates. Check the box at bottom to show all available components. Check the one box for ISO Task Publisher (Muller Beta) The Description column will also show as Muller. Click OK. The download for the FODD will begin. When complete click OK at the message to close the program and then Manually close. Making a project backup will be your choice. After the program is closed, there will be an installer screen display. Click Install.


When complete, it should ask if you want to restart the software. Answer Yes and open correct project. Now when going to the Write or Read Job data you should have the Muller option.
 

Lofty

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Worcs
Are you already using ISO-XML task management on the 1200?
If not, you'll need to turn support on for this, assuming you have the licence for task management.
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Lofty

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No, nothing to do with FW.
If your going to export your boundaries using the method suggested by FW above, your going to have to turn on the ISOBUS TC app (task controller) on the terminal so it will work with the TaskData folder that FW will create on the memory stick. The ISO TC app on the terminal may require a licence code to unlock it. I think all 1200 touch terminals come with this licence pre installed so you may be lucky. Go to settings and licencing and see if the TC app is ticked.

Take a read of the TC manual to discover how it works and what its used for.
https://www.mueller-elektronik.de/wp-content/uploads/30302436a-02-EN-001_V3.20151217.pdf

Whether you can use TC to simply import the boundaries, save it to the terminal then turn the TC off, I'm not sure but can check this.
 

phil

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Wexford
No, nothing to do with FW.
If your going to export your boundaries using the method suggested by FW above, your going to have to turn on the ISOBUS TC app (task controller) on the terminal so it will work with the TaskData folder that FW will create on the memory stick. The ISO TC app on the terminal may require a licence code to unlock it. I think all 1200 touch terminals come with this licence pre installed so you may be lucky. Go to settings and licencing and see if the TC app is ticked.

Take a read of the TC manual to discover how it works and what its used for.
https://www.mueller-elektronik.de/wp-content/uploads/30302436a-02-EN-001_V3.20151217.pdf

Whether you can use TC to simply import the boundaries, save it to the terminal then turn the TC off, I'm not sure but can check this.

Ah makes sense now
I'll have a look tomorrow
Thanks

Reading my post above afterwards, I knew all that!
 

phil

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Wexford
No, nothing to do with FW.
If your going to export your boundaries using the method suggested by FW above, your going to have to turn on the ISOBUS TC app (task controller) on the terminal so it will work with the TaskData folder that FW will create on the memory stick. The ISO TC app on the terminal may require a licence code to unlock it. I think all 1200 touch terminals come with this licence pre installed so you may be lucky. Go to settings and licencing and see if the TC app is ticked.

Take a read of the TC manual to discover how it works and what its used for.
https://www.mueller-elektronik.de/wp-content/uploads/30302436a-02-EN-001_V3.20151217.pdf

Whether you can use TC to simply import the boundaries, save it to the terminal then turn the TC off, I'm not sure but can check this.

Settings say I have connection with ISOBUS-TC
 

Lofty

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I'm a Trimble man, used to getting it handy!

I think it's just a case that the logic is different to what your used to and your looking at the job a little to complicated.

I think, and I will check this in a while, but if you've followed the directions from FW above, you haven't created an actual task ie, with a farm, field, product etc so the terminal can't find anything to actually read.

I'm concerned that your trying to run before you can walk with this. Ignoring the boundary issue you have for a while, and with the greatest of respect to you, if your new to the sprayer, are you happy with the way the 1200 terminal maps the fields as you spray them, using section switching, creating and saving boundaries around the worked area and using false headlands?
 

phil

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Location
Wexford
I think it's just a case that the logic is different to what your used to and your looking at the job a little to complicated.

I think, and I will check this in a while, but if you've followed the directions from FW above, you haven't created an actual task ie, with a farm, field, product etc so the terminal can't find anything to actually read.

I think your right on that point ☝️

I'm concerned that your trying to run before you can walk with this. Ignoring the boundary issue you have for a while, and with the greatest of respect to you, if your new to the sprayer, are you happy with the way the 1200 terminal maps the fields as you spray them, using section switching, creating and saving boundaries around the worked area and using false headlands?

Haven't even used sprayer yet
The reason I want to import fields and boundaries is i dont want to go through pain if creating each one individually. It worked well with FMX and really simple to do and use with Ag leader integra in Bateman
I understand the accuaracy is questionable using Farmworks to match boundaries but using RTK negates most of that
It seems to me the format I'm exporting is not compatible with 1200
The isobus tc app you mentioned in previous post is activated
I was also told that I need to use an ISO xml convertor from shp files to iso xml but FW insist the export is in that form
I've read manual you linked and I'm none the wiser
How new is 1200 terminal ?
 

phil

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Location
Wexford
I think it's just a case that the logic is different to what your used to and your looking at the job a little to complicated.

I think, and I will check this in a while, but if you've followed the directions from FW above, you haven't created an actual task ie, with a farm, field, product etc so the terminal can't find anything to actually read.

I'm concerned that your trying to run before you can walk with this. Ignoring the boundary issue you have for a while, and with the greatest of respect to you, if your new to the sprayer, are you happy with the way the 1200 terminal maps the fields as you spray them, using section switching, creating and saving boundaries around the worked area and using false headlands?

I think your correct in the second paragraph
 

Lofty

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Worcs
I think your correct in the second paragraph
Well actually i'm not. FW description above works perfectly.

Go to setting in the ISOBUS TC app
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Check 'Yes' in Work with ISO-XML the return to the screen above.
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Insert the momory stick, making sure the TaskData folder in the the root directory and it should download the data from the stick and populate the Farms, Fields, Products etc section in the terminal.
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phil

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Wexford
Well actually i'm not. FW description above works perfectly.

Go to setting in the ISOBUS TC app
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Check 'Yes' in Work with ISO-XML the return to the screen above.
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Insert the momory stick, making sure the TaskData folder in the the root directory and it should download the data from the stick and populate the Farms, Fields, Products etc section in the terminal.
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I had you until taskdata folder in root directory
What does root directory mean, heard it before but never knew what it meant
Horsch Leeb PT280
First one dealer supplied and first 1200, they know less than I do!
 

Lofty

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Worcs
Sorry, I just mean to make sure that the Task data folder is not hidden in another folder on the stick otherwise the terminal won't see it to read it.
So are Horsch really leaving you high and dry on a single handed voyage of discovery?
 

Lofty

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Worcs
I'm more than happy to help you, but I really must urge you to set Work with ISO XML to NO, forget about importing your boundaries from FW for the time being and get the sprayer out in a field somewhere with clean water in it and have a play with the terminal and see how it maps and puts its own boudaries in. I really feel Task management is only clouding the subject at the moment.
 

phil

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Location
Wexford
I'm more than happy to help you, but I really must urge you to set Work with ISO XML to NO, forget about importing your boundaries from FW for the time being and get the sprayer out in a field somewhere with clean water in it and have a play with the terminal and see how it maps and puts its own boudaries in. I really feel Task management is only clouding the subject at the moment.

The sprayer has been in field and he mapped the 6 he done as we went
I just find mapping with sprayer fiddly.
I want corners square

I'll figure it out
Is there a mueller program that I could use to list all farms and fields to make it simple in field if we record boundaries individually
 

Lofty

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Worcs
Mapping boundaries with the 1200 isn't really fiddly. Unlike some (JD for one) terminals which create the boundary as you drive which does make corners fiddly, you place the boundarys as a perimiter of what you've sprayed around the headland when you've finished with just one click of a button.
You can then save this and give it a name.
What exactly do you want to use the boundary for? With RTK (whick I think your running?), you can map and record the precise boundaries, use them to create false headlands so you can spray the straight work first and the headlands last, show guidance lines so you know where to drive around the headland etc. Can even import these RTK boundaries to FarmWorks.
What have you been using FW for up till now? I'm pretty new to FW and have been using it to create VRA prescription maps for seed and fert as I use the Mueller terminal for spraying, fert application and drilling.

There is a very simple application for handling data from the terminal. Its quite limting, but its quite useful for creating the field names before you actually save the boundaries before you get to the field.

Download here https://www.mueller-elektronik.de/produkte/track-guide-desktop/

Manual here https://www.mueller-elektronik.de/pm_manuals/TGD/en/970926347.html

You say, you've been shown how to map a field..... Did whoever showed you this use the Task Controller app on the terminal to setup a farm, field and rate before you started? I ask becasue you say above that Work with ISO-XML is already set you YES?
 

phil

Member
Location
Wexford
Mapping boundaries with the 1200 isn't really fiddly. Unlike some (JD for one) terminals which create the boundary as you drive which does make corners fiddly, you place the boundarys as a perimiter of what you've sprayed around the headland when you've finished with just one click of a button.
You can then save this and give it a name.
What exactly do you want to use the boundary for? With RTK (whick I think your running?), you can map and record the precise boundaries, use them to create false headlands so you can spray the straight work first and the headlands last, show guidance lines so you know where to drive around the headland etc. Can even import these RTK boundaries to FarmWorks.
What have you been using FW for up till now? I'm pretty new to FW and have been using it to create VRA prescription maps for seed and fert as I use the Mueller terminal for spraying, fert application and drilling.

There is a very simple application for handling data from the terminal. Its quite limting, but its quite useful for creating the field names before you actually save the boundaries before you get to the field.

Download here https://www.mueller-elektronik.de/produkte/track-guide-desktop/

Manual here https://www.mueller-elektronik.de/pm_manuals/TGD/en/970926347.html

You say, you've been shown how to map a field..... Did whoever showed you this use the Task Controller app on the terminal to setup a farm, field and rate before you started? I ask becasue you say above that Work with ISO-XML is already set you YES?
I know what you mean, even if I could populate the terminal with all names rather than do it on the terminal
I downloaded the track guide but cant seem to get it to create fields, I will try import from FW to that tomorrow.
At moment just using it for fields and boundaries, hoping to use it for VRA lime maps this summer.
I'll have another go tomorrow and follow the instructions you posted above

I agree that I am overthinking this but I'm sure its possible i'm told its possible so its obviously something simple i'm doing wrong
 

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