My Beeswax Dyson Farming and Bailey trailers trip.

[David.]

What went wrong with the Winchester Growers man then, they didn't last long at Nocton.

 

[Cuthbert]

That would be Nocton as in the infamous and never built Nocton Dairy.
Now got a massive concrete cow instead.
Dyson is only doing what most of us would do if we had the money.

Yeah and the men who were putting a dairy farm there made more from the sale of land than milking cows for a hundred years

 

[quattro]

Very interesting thread thanks for sharing,I think you’re own thread is excellent aswell

 

[Hilly]

Just shows what can be achieved when you have the money to do it ! bet he has boosted the local economy alot !

 

[colhonk]

Think his yard and buildings cover more ground than some of my fields

 

[Steevo]

Well spotted he’s a good mate of mine, grew up together at yfc

Small old world.

 

[Steevo]

That would be Nocton as in the infamous and never built Nocton Dairy.
Now got a massive concrete cow instead.
Dyson is only doing what most of us would do if we had the money.

Be curious to know how the concrete cow compares to the herd they had planned.

Think it would take quite a herd of cows to eat 150t/day!

 

[Dragon]

Be curious to know how the concrete cow compares to the herd they had planned.

Think it would take quite a herd of cows to eat 150t/day!

8000 cows would eat double that.
Iirc they were planning to put the muck through a digester afterwards.

 

[ricdog]

So did the core estate originally belong to the now deceased Lord Carrington? I understood he had place up in Lincs as well as the one in Bucks.

He has a farm at West Rasen.

 

[lloyd]

Be careful Mr Corbyn might be reading
this and want his share!

 

[Pingu]

I could be wrong as there was a lot of info to take in (wish I’d took notes) but I’m sure they said the Lincolnshire estates where all purchased from Danish investors. I’m certain the two at Nocton which are now one estate (they were originally one estate before been sold of, Dyson has joined them back up) where purchased from overseas investors. Carrington I’m not 100%, I’m sure it will at some point have belonged to lord Carrington hence the name on the quadtrac roof

The name on the Quadtrac relates to one of the lads as a nickname it is a fantastically run business and a credit to UK farming! People who think otherwise need to wake up and realise he’s doing nothing different to what has always happened big investors from over seas buying land and farming it hard with little regard to its future or sustainability at least he is and doing it well. East anglia is full of them.

But what a great thread thank you for posting been a few years since I’ve been there and so much change for the better

 

[ollie989898]

How is this a credit to UK farming? None of it was paid for BY UK farming?

This is exactly what is happening all over America with corporations taking out family farms. If you think this constitutes progress, then fantastic for you but I personally want no part of it.

 

[kiwi pom]

How is this a credit to UK farming? None of it was paid for BY UK farming?

This is exactly what is happening all over America with corporations taking out family farms. If you think this constitutes progress, then fantastic for you but I personally want no part of it.

Yes he's used money from non farming business to buy land, so?
That's how everyone that wasn't born a farmers son/daughter but wants to own land does it.
Its his money, he can do what he wants with it and has chosen to invest in land and inject some money into the local economies around the farms, while setting them up for the future.
Could do with a few rich Kiwis to do that here instead of everything being sold off to china

 

[ollie989898]

Yes he's used money from non farming business to buy land, so?
That's how everyone that wasn't born a farmers son/daughter but wants to own land does it.
Its his money, he can do what he wants with it and has chosen to invest in land and inject some money into the local economies around the farms, while setting them up for the future.
Could do with a few rich Kiwis to do that here instead of everything being sold off to china

He is basically conning all of us out of millions of pounds worth of tax.


And on this very same forum we will complain the roads are shite and the NHS has ridiculous waiting times....

The bloke is not a farmer and all he is doing is tilting the table against young people trying to enter the industry.

I am no longer impressed by metal and concrete and anaerobic digestion is an utterly ridiculous way of producing energy if it involves rowing the stuff on perfectly good land to feed it.

 

[Happy]

Bailey Trailers
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First trailer ever built by Mr Bailey himself back in 1982.
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It was surprising just how much fabrication was still done manually, from setting up the jigs to the final welding. All very impressive mind and some good skilled lads on the workshop floor.
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The chassis are rotated to make it easier to weld.
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One or two axles on stock
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They’re building around 30 trailers a week but where hopping to get up to around 35 in the near future.
Flat bed just come out waiting to go for paint.
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More to follow.

I know a trailer is just a steel box on a chassis with wheels but amazing out how little the bailey trailer design has changed in 37 years. His original design must have been spot on.
Marshall’s and even Stewarts look quite different trailers to how they did originally but that one looks like it could have come out the factory a few weeks ago.

 

[ste]

The sad part is, this bloke has sunk millions of pounds into agriculture as a tax dodge and show piece to tell his mates about, yet all he is doing is shoving more production into a marketplace that is already oversupplied. He is literally racing to the bottom and it won't matter a jot to him that is never wipes its own face.

That is the reality of the industry people now find themselves in. It's pretty sad in reality.

He is basically conning all of us out of millions of pounds worth of tax.

I am no longer impressed by metal and concrete and anaerobic digestion is an utterly ridiculous way of producing energy if it involves rowing the stuff on perfectly good land to feed it.

Make your mind up with where the problem is @ollie989898 , one minute he's growing crops for an over supplied market, then wasting land growing crops for a digester???

The public don't really care who owns what, just as long as they can have cheap food and power at the flick of a switch. From what I've seen of what he's done compared to most major land owners, he needs to be applauded. Yes its a major tax reduction for him, but by farming it himself he's still contributing by the VAT, etc that the farms have to pay. Surely that's better than most of them who own the land through offshore companies and charge high rents that also go off shore, so double loss to HMRC??

If he had let the lot out and drawn the rent, each of those units would have contributed to the oversupplied market, the tax take would have probably been the same as now so no gain.

The industry is changing, I'm not saying for the better or worse, but rose tinted specs need to be removed. Farms need to run as profitable businesses regardless who owns them, if not then its time to pack it in.

 

[PSQ]

He is basically conning all of us out of millions of pounds worth of tax.


And on this very same forum we will complain the roads are shite and the NHS has ridiculous waiting times....

The bloke is not a farmer and all he is doing is tilting the table against young people trying to enter the industry.

I am no longer impressed by metal and concrete and anaerobic digestion is an utterly ridiculous way of producing energy if it involves rowing the stuff on perfectly good land to feed it.

As @ste says above, one minute you're carping about overproduction, the next you're complaining about AD on 'perfectly good land'.

Just exactly what tax is he "conning" the public out of?
The tax that pays for subsidy, the same as you receive?
IHT, same rules as you?
Income tax, same as you?
Corporation tax, same as you?
VAT, same as you?
Or maybe you're 'special' because those rules are only meant for you as a 'proper' farmer ?!

If you don't like it, and your angry enough to change the laws that he's NOT currently breaking, then you can stick your name on the ballot and join the equally ignorant chippy tw@ts on the opposition bench, because thats what your moaning is starting to sound like...

 

[Pingu]

How is this a credit to UK farming? None of it was paid for BY UK farming?

This is exactly what is happening all over America with corporations taking out family farms. If you think this constitutes progress, then fantastic for you but I personally want no part of it.

You do realise big land areas have been bought by non farmers for thousands of years so how is he different?! Least his business is doing a fantastic job so stop looking like green eyed monster farming is a business more now then ever! But he did have links to farming as a boy hence why he bought some now because he can! Would you honestly if you had his money not invest for yourself and your family’s future rather then forking more and more on tax if you wouldn’t you are a lier! His business now has to pay for itself that also means justify there expenditure rather then judging it from a far maybe a tour would do you good!

 

[Suffolk Serf]

You do realise big land areas have been bought by non farmers for thousands of years so how is he different?! Least his business is doing a fantastic job so stop looking like green eyed monster farming is a business more now then ever! But he did have links to farming as a boy hence why he bought some now because he can! Would you honestly if you had his money not invest for yourself and your family’s future rather then forking more and more on tax if you wouldn’t you are a lier! His business now has to pay for itself that also means justify there expenditure rather then judging it from a far maybe a tour would do you good!

I'm surrounded by big landowners. One nearby is over 20000 acres, another 11000. I rent some land from the latter. Some have had their land for centuries and managed to hang on to keep it in the family, others have got it from successful business and are more recent at a 100 years or so.
You wouldn't last too long round here by being envious.

 

[ollie989898]

You do realise big land areas have been bought by non farmers for thousands of years so how is he different?! Least his business is doing a fantastic job so stop looking like green eyed monster farming is a business more now then ever! But he did have links to farming as a boy hence why he bought some now because he can! Would you honestly if you had his money not invest for yourself and your family’s future rather then forking more and more on tax if you wouldn’t you are a lier! His business now has to pay for itself that also means justify there expenditure rather then judging it from a far maybe a tour would do you good!

Ha ha ha, again, you spectacularly fail to appreciate what I have said.

I am not jealous of the man, I think I have stated on multiple occasions that owning any amount of farm does nothing for me any longer as I don't have the farming 'bug' as I once did.

He is robbing the exchequer of tax using a means that is designed for family farms. It is that simple.


The typical retort of envy does not wash with me I'm afraid, you have no clue as to my circumstances. I have no reason to envy anyone, thank you.