My Bridgeway Biostimulant trial

[Clive]

do you not need a triton drill in November to make these stimulants work ?

That’s a certain brand that I’m a little more “sceptical” about !

I certainly have no plans to start drilling into snow covered mud

 

[Feldspar]

If needed tractor drives through headland tramline until last auto section goes off - then short reverse and turn onto headland tramline

36m gives you quite a bit of turning space / time though

No loops with a trailed, far to much run down

I’m surprised the 710’s don’t look worse than they do. We will be staying on them all season

That's coming into a headland. What about coming out of a headland? If you turn it and it's too sharp a turn to get the sprayer squared up, do you then back up and then go forward again?

 

[Clive]

That's coming into a headland. What about coming out of a headland? If you turn it and it's too sharp a turn to get the sprayer squared up, do you then back up and then go forward again?

I don’t get to drive it so will have to ask the operator for you ! - I imagine he backs up straight and-square - it’s easy as the steering axel locks automatically or you can steer it on the tractor joystick

I was looking though drone images recently and the auto shut off on liquid N is really very good - from the air you can really judge it and overlaps are really minimal even on steeply angled headlands

 

[Daniel]

It is a bit good ! We are really impressed by it - boom height and stability is so much better than what we have been used to, it can only make applications more effective

I’ve no doubt it’s clever, but fairly superfluous in the billiard table flat fens!

 

[Feldspar]

I’ve no doubt it’s clever, but fairly superfluous in the billiard table flat fens!

Ah, but if you have bumpy tramlines then even the Fens can place demands on the boom levelling system. Go from a field that has been direct drilled for a few years to one which has been prepared by an amateur ploughman and you can soon see this effect.

 

[Clive]

Ah, but if you have bumpy tramlines then even the Fens can place demands on the boom levelling system. Go from a field that has been direct drilled for a few years to one which has been prepared by an amateur ploughman and you can soon see this effect.

The field in the drone video is actually year 1 zerotill so not really very level at all by our standards yet - if you watch closely you can see the sprayer and tractor rock quite badly at times as it crosses last years different angle tramlines yet the booms just don’t move

 

[Clive]

I’ve no doubt it’s clever, but fairly superfluous in the billiard table flat fens!

The biggest shock is seeing what 50cm actually looks like when it can be kept consistently

25cm seems crazy close to the crop but can also be done safely at speed with 80 deg nozzle fitted

I don’t think many consistently can really achieve those heights at speed - we certainly never really did despite thinking we did in the past !

 

[Farmer T]

I want biostimulants to work and love the theory however I tried last year in wheat, beet and OSR and saw nothing from the yield maps. Disappointed and didn’t purchase any this year.

BBRO and TAG have also tried without success so far. However good luck @Clive and I hope it works for you.

 

[T Hectares]

I want biostimulants to work and love the theory however I tried last year in wheat, beet and OSR and saw nothing from the yield maps. Disappointed and didn’t purchase any this year.

BBRO and TAG have also tried without success so far. However good luck @Clive and I hope it works for you.

That's my kind of thinking, if it works against all expectations then great, I'll cash in and move forward...
If not, I've only lost less than a pub meal for one and quenched my thirst for BS...


Is it only me that's realised the abbreviation for Bio Stimulants is the same as Bull Sh##t??

 

[T Hectares]

It did - we demo’ed VG and although slightly better they were nothing like the Horsch boom

I don’t know what magic Horsch have done but the stability and consistent height is like some sort of electronic black magic !

It's a shame that my sprayer was #2 in the country, my boom control is strictly manual as the auto control simply doesn't work.
Unfortunately my predessor who bought the sprayer wouldn't pay the ££££ to "upgrade" a new product that didn't work from new ( although his was correct to do so)
After having a chat with Jason Bateman this week who does his best to ensure that new tech can always filter down to older machines, I'm left with a less than positive experience of Horsch back up, although I'm sure you benefit, as I'm the customer that seems to have been forgotten in the rush to provide new customers with a great product....

It seems it doesn't pay to rush in to new tech, and my case seems to prove it, not helped that the dealer has changed several times whereas Bateman are Bateman and answer their phone on a Sunday....

A good sprayer, but one day I aspire to boom levelling that works at least as well as my old Batman's VG on Norac...

I do hope to sort this one day, as a trailed sprayer makes sense for me at the moment...

 

[ajd132]

It's a shame that my sprayer was #2 in the country, my boom control is strictly manual as the auto control simply doesn't work.
Unfortunately my predessor who bought the sprayer wouldn't pay the ££££ to "upgrade" a new product that didn't work from new ( although his was correct to do so)
After having a chat with Jason Bateman this week who does his best to ensure that new tech can always filter down to older machines, I'm left with a less than positive experience of Horsch back up, although I'm sure you benefit, as I'm the customer that seems to have been forgotten in the rush to provide new customers with a great product....

It seems it doesn't pay to rush in to new tech, and my case seems to prove it, not helped that the dealer has changed several times whereas Bateman are Bateman and answer their phone on a Sunday....

A good sprayer, but one day I aspire to boom levelling that works at least as well as my old Batman's VG on Norac...

I do hope to sort this one day, as a trailed sprayer makes sense for me at the moment...

Bateman VG Norac is incredibly average. I’ve been close to head butting the screen in anger with it many times. Apparently there is a new better upgrade though

 

[warksfarmer]

Bateman VG Norac is incredibly average. I’ve been close to head butting the screen in anger with it many times. Apparently there is a new better upgrade though

Bateman Norac worked well if you didn’t spray at formula 1 speeds. Certainly up 12km/hr it worked for us well.

 

[warksfarmer]

I wouldn't, big part of the reason i keep cattle is for the muck ! each load of straw is regarded as a load of fertiliser to me, but then i have poor land.You might as well sell it because if it aint had animals over it and midden`d and spread back as manure the benefits wont even cover the extra fuel your combine is using chopping it.

Chopping costs £1.50/acre more than not chopping.

Baling creates compaction which needs dealing with as an extra cost. And that’s from somebody that’s baling everything including osr.

 

[Hilly]

Chopping costs £1.50/acre more than not chopping.

Baling creates compaction which needs dealing with as an extra cost. And that’s from somebody that’s baling everything including osr.

If chopping straw was fabulas fert you wouldn't need buy any ! takes n to break it down as well. Clive is experimenting with something out a can and that`s after chopping , if he had been spreading muck their would be no need for experimenting
.

 

[jonnyjon]

I feel that Bio this and that probably do work long term, we apply this stuff wanting instant results but it doesn't seem to work like that. Chemicals do their thing, good or bad, much quicker and we are used to that response. When trying to repair the damage to soils it takes years, we didn't wreck them in a year yet we seem to think they will repair in a year. Just my opinion

 

[Clive]

If chopping straw was fabulas fert you wouldn't need buy any ! takes n to break it down as well. Clive is experimenting with something out a can and that`s after chopping , if he had been spreading muck their would be no need for experimenting
.

Straw isn't fert, its food for biology that can access fert via mineral abundant nutrition in our soils - if I don't feed my biology I end up with degraded soils that eventual become uneconomic ( historically this has hardened in many parts of the world)

The fert in straw ( a bit of p / k is almost irrelevant) as is the cost of chopping it

Of course muck is better than straw but its not an option for me as there is very little livestock in this are, if I sell straw and don't get muck them I really am mining and not farming. My yield maps reflect SOM almost exactly so the more OM I get the more I produce, simple really, its really is the silver bullet IMO

so.............................. its not for sale unless the price is high enough that I can replace the lost OM with compost etc and have some cash left over

 

[Hilly]

Straw isn't fert, its food for biology that can access fert via mineral abundant nutrition in our soils - if I don't feed my biology I end up with degraded soils that eventual become uneconomic ( historically this has hardened in many parts of the world)

The fert in straw ( a bit of p / k is almost irrelevant) as is the cost of chopping it

Of course muck is better than straw but its not an option for me as there is very little livestock in this are, if I sell straw and don't get muck them I really am mining and not farming. My yield maps reflect SOM almost exactly so the more OM I get the more I produce, simple really, its really is the silver bullet IMO

so.............................. its not for sale unless the price is high enough that I can replace the lost OM with compost etc and have some cash left over

I know that, here is an experiment for you, I used to buy straw off a man who chopped forty foot headlands since choppers were invented , the middle was baled and sold , I asked him if the headlands were better , no difference was the answer.

 

[Hilly]

If the crop was good and sold by the ton 60 acre would easily be achieved even 80 ! But you need a good crop .

 

[Shutesy]

I know that, here is an experiment for you, I used to buy straw off a man who chopped forty foot headlands since choppers were invented , the middle was baled and sold , I asked him if the headlands were better , no difference was the answer.

Not to bring the plough v no-till debate back into it but did said man plough it all in to 8-10 inches deep or leave it on the surface and no-till into it? Bit of a difference if he did plough it in compared to what @Clive is doing.

 

[jonnyjon]

Straw isn't fert, its food for biology that can access fert via mineral abundant nutrition in our soils - if I don't feed my biology I end up with degraded soils that eventual become uneconomic ( historically this has hardened in many parts of the world)

The fert in straw ( a bit of p / k is almost irrelevant) as is the cost of chopping it

Of course muck is better than straw but its not an option for me as there is very little livestock in this are, if I sell straw and don't get muck them I really am mining and not farming. My yield maps reflect SOM almost exactly so the more OM I get the more I produce, simple really, its really is the silver bullet IMO

so.............................. its not for sale unless the price is high enough that I can replace the lost OM with compost etc and have some cash left over

An awful lot of people don't understand this, don't grasp the concept that soil biology is everything, chemical inputs are only required if soil life is compromised