My Bridgeway Biostimulant trial

[Clive]

Clive is very quiet on his results.
I can only conclude that the results aren't what he wants to publish, or he's still too busy (he has been on plenty of other threads recently though).

Clive is just busy ! He has a small farm to run

Interagro don’t even know the results yet ! I simply haven’t got around to pulling them all together from weigh-bridge data quality sampling notes / yield mapping etc

I’m in France at the moment (work not fun !) but will try my best over the weekend, drilling osr, finishing harvest, loading grain out and pulling together direct driller issue 7 as printers need it next week !

 

[Gong Farmer]

What a guy!

We are not worthy.

 

[snarling bee]

Clive is just busy ! He has a small farm to run

Interagro don’t even know the results yet ! I simply haven’t got around to pulling them all together from weigh-bridge data quality sampling notes / yield mapping etc

I’m in France at the moment (work not fun !) but will try my best over the weekend, drilling osr, finishing harvest, loading grain out and pulling together direct driller issue 7 as printers need it next week !

Perhaps having one less employee on the farm wasn't such a good idea after all!


I'm happy to be patient.

 

[Clive]

Perhaps having one less employee on the farm wasn't such a good idea after all!


I'm happy to be patient.

We took on harvest staff - never enough pairs of hands at this time of year though

Doesn’t help that I’m off for a break next week either !

 

[Fuzzy]

Perhaps having one less employee on the farm wasn't such a good idea after all!


I'm happy to be patient.

I'm sure @Clive appreciates you being so patient !!

 

[Clive]

I'm sure @Clive appreciates you being so patient !!

Full write up / results in issue 7 direct driller

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A very warm welcome to this new issue of Direct Driller. There's much to get your teeth into, including topics that are new but highly relevant. A glimpse into the future shows new crops on the cusp of becoming commercial. Why, for example, have we yet to realise the potential of rye? And in...

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[SilliamWhale]

Full write up / results in issue 7 direct driller

Direct Driller Magazine Issue 7

A very warm welcome to this new issue of Direct Driller. There's much to get your teeth into, including topics that are new but highly relevant. A glimpse into the future shows new crops on the cusp of becoming commercial. Why, for example, have we yet to realise the potential of rye? And in...

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Meh. I'd want a bit better than that. That said I wouldn't mind your untreated fungicide yield either!

 

[Clive]

Meh. I'd want a bit better than that. That said I wouldn't mind your untreated fungicide yield either!

I agree and as I conclude in the article I would want to see the consistency of the effect it seems to have in helping through periods of stress (which could be very useful on our lighter drought-prone soils) before it became a product I used routinely.

MOIC is, of course, lower this year with lower prices, in the £150 plus years we have had more recently the financial return would have been a lot better

I would like to run a similar trail again next year as see if we can repeat the results, I certainly found that early Brix test after the drought very interesting, it was clearly doing "something" at that point


We are trialing a similar Interagro product as a seed dressing this year on OSR but I don't think it's commercially available yet

 

[Clive]

Perhaps having one less employee on the farm wasn't such a good idea after all!


I'm happy to be patient.

maybe right, if only I could find half-decent staff though! I think we may try again at the apprentice thing in the spring

the problem has been more my absence from the UK for most of September through a combination of work, holiday and gaining new qualifications

 

[Gong Farmer]

Many thanks Clive. The £135 MOIC relies on a very impressive milling wheat price that didn't come from any Bridgeway effect (no protein boost here). In many other instances 0.9 t/ha response wouldn't generate that margin. Suppliers also seem to blame 'other environmental conditions' which limited the potential yield response. That's a typical manufacturer approach.
Thanks all the same for sharing and being so open with it.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I agree and as I conclude in the article I would want to see the consistency of the effect it seems to have in helping through periods of stress (which could be very useful on our lighter drought-prone soils) before it became a product I used routinely.

MOIC is, of course, lower this year with lower prices, in the £150 plus years we have had more recently the financial return would have been a lot better

I would like to run a similar trail again next year as see if we can repeat the results, I certainly found that early Brix test after the drought very interesting, it was clearly doing "something" at that point


We are trialing a similar Interagro product as a seed dressing this year on OSR but I don't think it's commercially available yet

Brix for me is a bit of a so what issue. Doesn't really mean anything imo.

 

[Clive]

Brix for me is a bit of a so what issue. Doesn't really mean anything imo.

What I find interesting is the difference in Brix rather than the absolute numbers meaning anything - there was a clear difference in that set of results which lead me to conclude something is going on (good or bad !)

 

[Fuzzy]

Many thanks Clive. The £135 MOIC relies on a very impressive milling wheat price that didn't come from any Bridgeway effect (no protein boost here). In many other instances 0.9 t/ha response wouldn't generate that margin. Suppliers also seem to blame 'other environmental conditions' which limited the potential yield response. That's a typical manufacturer approach.
Thanks all the same for sharing and being so open with it.

What MOIC figures would you get if you assumed all feed wheat at say (currently) £125 per tonne?

 

[MNBVCXZ]

Interesting trial from NIAB just released trying all the various potions.
Thank you for the clarity!!!

 

[ajd132]

Interesting trial from NIAB just released trying all the various potions.
Thank you for the clarity!!!

Just seen that. There was another data set last week I think which was more positive in terms of reducing fungicides for bio stims.

 

[Gong Farmer]

Just seen that. There was another data set last week I think which was more positive in terms of reducing fungicides for bio stims.

Biostims worked in high disease pressure area but only if not mixed or applied anywhere near conventional fungicides. Thing is they cost about the same as the latter so little point really.

 

[snarling bee]

Interesting trial from NIAB just released trying all the various potions.
Thank you for the clarity!!!

For members only obviously.
Second year running - same result.

 

[MNBVCXZ]

I wasn’t having a go at Clive merely stating it’s nice to see some figures which you would assume are independent of any interest.

 

[SilliamWhale]

For members only obviously.
Second year running - same result.

Not enough of a yield increase to tempt me to do my own trials yet. There should be a demonstrable gain on a trial site first to give you a feeling of worth it or not.

Independent data makes this graph below look unrealistic, naive possibly..., shifty even....And its why I'm a healthy sceptic about the biostimulant world. You only have to look at the way their purported mode of action operates to know that the claims are just ott. Its like saying eating cardboard and a few vitamins will give you the nutrition 5 a day and some protein would. Its just not workable. Future biostimulants may have different modes of action but small bottles of high margin plant based acids with small amounts of macro and micronutrients just do not have the power to influence plant nutrition enough. I'd like to be true as much as any farmer, but its not. Its like Albrecht.

 

[Brisel]

Not enough of a yield increase to tempt me to do my own trials yet. There should be a demonstrable gain on a trial site first to give you a feeling of worth it or not.

Independent data makes this graph below look unrealistic, naive possibly..., shifty even....And its why I'm a healthy sceptic about the biostimulant world. You only have to look at the way their purported mode of action operates to know that the claims are just ott. Its like saying eating cardboard and a few vitamins will give you the nutrition 5 a day and some protein would. Its just not workable. Future biostimulants may have different modes of action but small bottles of high margin plant based acids with small amounts of macro and micronutrients just do not have the power to influence plant nutrition enough. I'd like to be true as much as any farmer, but its not. Its like Albrecht.

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Thank you. It's ads like that one that make me glad I'm a member of NIAB TAG, an independent trials organisation who can sift through the rubbish used to sell snake oils to find out what the reality actually is.

As I type this, there's an advertising banner for Interagro's Bridgeway on the right hand side of the screen...