My Pruex trial

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I've been meaning to write this for a while, but hadn't got round to it. First, a bit of background.....

We lamb our pedigree Charollais ewes in 2 flocks, between a third and a half of them inside in December, the rest inside in March. The December mob (usually 80-100 ewes) stay inside until weaning, in the same shed that they lambed in. We then use the shed for scanning our April lambing flock, before cleaning it out and littering well before the March mob come in. Those March lambs go out onto grass as soon as they are mothered up OK, much like any other Spring lambing flock would. It's the same system that I've been running for years now, and makes good use of the buildings and available labour (me).

In our first mob, we rarely see any joint-ill at all, and hardly anything would see any antibiotics. However, it has always been a menace in our March lambs, which I've always assumed was caused by contamination in the shed. All ewes have been vaccinated against Erysipelas for years, which works very well in all flocks but that one. After a couple of bad years of having to treat over half of the lambs once they were out in the field:eek:, I had resorted to giving everything 1ml of Betamox LA as it left the shed. That worked very well, almost eradicating the problem, but is obviously not a sustainable practice. It will only be a matter of time before it's no longer effective.
Our April lambing ewes lamb outside, and I wouldn't have more than half a dozen a year get mild joint-ill in that mob, pointing quite conclusively to the shed as the problem IMO.

So, on to my trial....

Last year I had heard about a chap called Aled Davies, who did his Nuffield Scholarship on "Alternatives to Antibiotics in Agriculture". He has since set up a company called Pruex to promote the ideas. I spoke to him just before Christmas, but the first mob had already lambed (and building contamination in the shed) and I never got round to following it up. Roll on February and Aled came up to give a talk to our Sheep Discussion Group, with Farming Connect sponsoring some test swabbing. I spoke to Aled again afterwards, arranged some swabbing and ordered a couple of drums of a probiotic product that he was selling.


It was quite a leap of faith, as it's not cheap stuff and the cost would certainly buy a few bottles of antibiotics. However, it's not just a cost issue that was concerning me. That product was PIP Water Plus. I also bought a Micron ultra low volume sprayer (straight from Micron;)) to apply it.

What is it? It's basically a probiotic product that you apply to the environment. The aim is to colonise the shed with good bacteria, so swamping out harmful bacteria such as E.coli. To do that, you apply the probiotic product to the environment (rather than any surfaces particularly), by walking through with a fine sprayer every day, as well as squirting a bit in the water drinkers as I went past. In our 60' by 60' lambing shed, I was applying 1 litre of product each day for the first week or so, then I changed to spreading the same volume over the shed and the lambing pens in the adjoining building. I kept this up right through lambing, using about 25L in total.

Aled did some follow up swabbing too, which clearly showed that the healthy bacteria had completely dominated the environment (bedding, walls and water swabbed), with very few pathogens evident, despite having lambed in the shed for 3-4 weeks, which would already have been heavily contaminated from the previous mob (shed cleaned out but not washed or disinfected, lambing pens not cleaned out, just littered well between sheep).

The end result.....

None of the lambs received any prophylactic antibiotics this year and we only had a single lamb that had a mild case of joint ill. That was a small cade lamb that possibly didn't receive enough colostrum. In short, a pretty damned amazing result IMO.(y)

Other testimonials espouse similar results with reductions in watery mouth (I never have much of an issue with that, but am normally very careful about colostrum intake), and drier bedding meaning less litter is needed.

Sorry for the long winded post, and I have no connection with the company or Aled, but I would urge anyone that has been struggling with similar problems to look into it.:)

https://www.pruex.co.uk/
 

sjt01

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Mixed Farmer
Location
North Norfolk
I can tell a similar story from the dairy side. Initially the herd manager and I were very sceptical. We first started with the water supply treatment, which cleared up a very difficult pseudomonas mastitis infection in the herd. Then we tried the bedding spray, which works as advertised, and the udder spray.
We then went on to try the footbath foam, but this did not work for us as it is quite windy around here and the foam just blows away. We are looking for a way to utilise it, but have not yet come up with a suitable location.
We would be happy to take visitors from other dairy herds, if interested please PM for details.
We have no connection with Aled or Pruex except as customers.
 

Ysgythan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Ammanford
I was certainly sceptical, but the proof of the pudding and all that. Very impressed with the result.(y)

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We do where the creep feeders are with it to keep scald down, but it has this side effect.
 

newholland

Member
Location
England
It always makes me smile when you have to try and explain Pruex to a "modern farmer" who considers 50kph tarmac farming and x3 milking to be the height of success.....

Pruex has done an excellent job on our dairy farm and I fully recommend.



Well done @neilo
 
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Sheep92

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Ireland
Does it help reduce scald? I know it’s being used as a foam for treating dairy cows, and did wonder about using it diluted in a sheep foot bath. We’ve had terrible scald in the lambs for the last month, coinciding with grazing long wet grass.:(
Same here always something with the buggers, last year nearly no scald as grass was so short
 

yellowbelly

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Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
As said, it's not cheap. £185 for a 20L drum.
So, it's cost you about £230 then? About the same as 15 bottles of Betamox LA.

Say 300 ewes lambing inside @180%:scratchhead: = 540 lambs @1ml = 6 bottles = £90 + a fair bit of time jabbing 'em.

Like you say, not cheap but blanket AB treatment not a good idea or sustainable, so it must make sense. May also be hidden benefits if he 'good bacteria' are helping to control other 'nasties'.
 

Sir loin

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Location
North Yorkshire
I have had a great lambing 130 ewes 185% done in one day over a month but and with sheep there is always a but I have been hit hard with mastitis shocking 18 ewes out of my 130 black bagged . why this year and could this product help?
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
So, it's cost you about £230 then? About the same as 15 bottles of Betamox LA.

Say 300 ewes lambing inside @180%:scratchhead: = 540 lambs @1ml = 6 bottles = £90 + a fair bit of time jabbing 'em.

Like you say, not cheap but blanket AB treatment not a good idea or sustainable, so it must make sense. May also be hidden benefits if he 'good bacteria' are helping to control other 'nasties'.

The maths are even worse here. 150 pedigree ewes & recips @125% (inc 48 recips all carrying singles). A bottle and a half of Betamox, along with a few seconds jabbing each lamb at tagging/ringing, would have been enough. To be fair, time to mist the shed probably takes more time than jabbing the lambs.

However, if you keep doing that, we all know that Betamox isn’t going to work one day.:( I would also say that we’ve had fewer lambs scour, either in the cases or on the ewes, not that we normally get many, but only a couple have had that knock.

If I was lambing a larger flock indoors (perish the thought), it wouldn’t have cost any more. I’m certainly not overstocked in the sheds as we are.:) If you are buying straw in, there’s potentially a considerable saving there too, through bedding staying drier.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I have had a great lambing 130 ewes 185% done in one day over a month but and with sheep there is always a but I have been hit hard with mastitis shocking 18 ewes out of my 130 black bagged . why this year and could this product help?

Crikey!:eek::cry:
That sort of number would certainly suggest they are getting infected from somewhere, rather than just the sporadic ones we all see.
Best speak to Aled as to whether it would help though.
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I wonder if you could do it at half rate like clik @neilo :D;)

I doubt it somehow, it’s a completely different product and works in a very different way.:p As I understand it, the idea is to colonise the environment with less harmful bacteria, swamping out the E.Coli types. Reducing application rates would reduce the number of those bacteria you are introducing.

Btw half rate Clik is still the equivalent ai of double rate ClikZin.;)
 

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