Thats almost as daft as golf!
Narrow tyres or normal tyres
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Why do you seek to denigrate our pastime by spewing all sorts of concocted rubbish? Where did you get the 100 tonnes of soil figure from or the £20 entry fee? As for the cost of equipment this may apply to a minute percentage of ploughmen. You display complete ignorance of the average costs with match entry fees seldom exceeding £10. Perhaps one day you should attend a match and educate yourself and then go home and wrtie about it immediately before the pleasures of the evening scupper your brains.
And, if we want to be hair splitting, as the plough followed the cave mans no/min till, those who practise that are the real exhibits! There are few enough country skills remaining, lets not denigrate those who wish to keep them alive, in the case of ploughing, I believe the plough will return, the green lobby will, together with cost, make the chemical stews used now uneconomic, if not illegal, and weed control will revert to good ploughing.
Having ploughed some plots in min till fields, they were so compacted that the much talked about worms, must have been using blasting powder!
Having ploughed some plots in min till fields, they were so compacted that the much talked about worms, must have been using blasting powder!
Must have been ploughing 3" deep with a riffler plough. A plot 12metres by 70 metres ploughed 6" deep entails moving up to 230 tonnes depending on soil type.
Still stand by him needing more water with it.
I worked it out at between 170 and 200 tonnes for a 12 X 65 metre plot at 6" depth based on an average 1.5 tonnes per cubic metre. . This man is a windbag just making a poor attempt to stir up trouble. He should take up knitting or some less demanding pastime.
Maybe 'our Rick' needs to take up something within his copious capabilities - something simple such as repairing or making anvils
Horses pushing ploughs my back eye.
Back to the point that Harry so rightly made. Chemicals - whether it be paraquat, roundup or whatever will never replace the plough. When it comes to controlling grass weeds other than wicks, the mouldboard plough reigns supreme.
Just in passing, should water be ovewhelming or mundane, I am sure dry ginger, lemonade or tonic would suffice!
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So if a man pulls something with a rope over his shoulder he is actually pushing it? I rather think that if the motive force is behind the object it is moving it is pushing, if in front of it, it is pulling.
Fergie Ploughman
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Super traction radial...What type of Goodyear's are you running? I have got the chance of some Brand new Good year Dyna torque 13.6-28 I plough on 12" furrows so I hope I will get away with the extra width, the tyres seem too good to turn down as they have an open centre tred pattern and should clean well I hope
Soil weights 1ton per cubic meter, and I think your remarks about ley235are out of order.
The object is not the important bit, the point of connection is. A tractor pulls the baler, but pushes the bale spike
All depends on what part of the world you come from, what time of the year it is re moisture content, soil type, organic content and the degree of compaction. Sandy soils are generally heaviest at 1.6 tonnes per cube but gravel laden soils can go even higher.
Thought a man of your calibre would have known that David, along with the fact that Bob's comments were aimed at our illustrious friend and not Harry.
The original argument Harry was that 'the horse pushes the plough'. As you also rightly say, then it might well push the collar but while ever the plough is attached by chain, then the horse is pulling it. In order to push the plough the horse would need to stand in the space normally occupied by the ploughman and be attached by rigid link. The point of connection is definitely in front of the plough. Basic laws of mechanics here Harry. Members in tension are being pulled, members in compression are being pushed. Chains are unaffected by reversal as far mechanics are concerned. Say what you like but it is impossible to push a chain whilst maintaining its extended length.
Sorry but no argument on this one. Anything attached by chain can only be pulled. Whether or not the horse is pushing the collar, it ultimately pulls the plough.
Pushing the bale spike is a poor analogy for this one Harry. The bale spike is attached rigidly and in effect becomes part of the tractor and the force applied to it can only be applied in one direction / plane. Whilst the tractor does indeed push the bale spike, for your analogy to be a true comparison then the loader arms would need to be of chain. Try pushing that one..........unless....
Grandad in garden says to grandchild who has just pulled a worm out of wormhole 'al gie thi a tenner if tha can push that worm back downt' oil'. Without further ado said youngster goes in the house to get his mother's hairspray, stretches the worm, sprays it and when dry, duly pushes it back down the hole
Next day grandad calls the youngster over and says 'eyup son ere's that tenner I owe yer and ere's another tenner from thi grandmother.
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Mydexta
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All depends on what part of the world you come from, what time of the year it is re moisture content, soil type, organic content and the degree of compaction. Sandy soils are generally heaviest at 1.6 tonnes per cube but gravel laden soils can go even higher.
Thought a man of your calibre would have known that David
The original argument Harry was that 'the horse pushes the plough'. As you also rightly say, then it might well push the collar but while ever the plough is attached by chain, then the horse is pulling it. In order to push the plough the horse would need to stand in the space normally occupied by the ploughman and be attached by rigid link.
Sorry but no argument on this one. Anything attached by chain can only be pulled. Whether or not the horse is pushing the collar, it ultimately pulls the plough.
Pushing the bale spike is a poor analogy for this one Harry. The bale spike is attached rigidly and in effect becomes part of the tractor and the force applied to it can only be applied in one direction. Whilst the tractor does indeed push the bale spike, for your analogy to be a true comparison then the loader arms would need to be of chain. Try pushing that one..........unless....
Grandad in garden says to grandchild who has just pulled a worm out of wormhole 'al gie thi a tenner if tha can push that worm back downt' oil'. Without further ado said youngster goes in the house to get his mother's hairspray, stretches the worm, sprays it and when dry, duly pushes it back down the hole
Next day grandad calls the youngster over and says 'eyup son ere's that tenner I owe yer and ere's another tenner from thi grandmother.
The old ones are the best onesMorning Dave,
you need to separate the horse from its collar, the horse applies force to the collar from behind, so is pushing it. The collar is attached to the plough, and is in front, therefore, the collar pulls the plough,( and any other horse drawn implement).
This argument raged for months in school, in the mechanics class, dont know what its called now, but concerned levers and forces.
you need to separate the horse from its collar, the horse applies force to the collar from behind, so is pushing it. The collar is attached to the plough, and is in front, therefore, the collar pulls the plough,( and any other horse drawn implement).
This argument raged for months in school, in the mechanics class, dont know what its called now, but concerned levers and forces.
Hello Harry. Whilst this argument has raged for years, as has the 'which came first? The chicken or the egg', and in my book rates as no more than intellectual snobbery.
In real terms, then due to mans inability to push an implement with a chain, the argument is a non starter. As Bob so rightly says a man with a rope over his shoulder pulling something is definitely pulling it but by your logic is pushing it due to him being behind the attachment point - his hand.
The motive force remains the horse which by order of necessity is in front of the plough- pulling it no less.
mike.l
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Hi If you break it down to small parts the primary mover is the horse which pushes the collar. that is the prime mover all are secondary forces from there and are pull forces
action and reaction
action and reaction
! was not referring to Ley253 but to Rick Vandal. Soil density varies normally between 11 and 20 kilo/newtons per cubic metre. There are 0.96 newtons per kg and therefore 15 kilo Newtons ( a fair mid point) equates to approximately 1.5 tonnes.
You suggest that I am out of order because I made personal remarks about Ley253.perhaps. What planet are you on ?
So the horse pushes the collar which in turn pulls the plough via the chains or traces. QED. I hope this did not cause offence !
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so the tractor drawbar hitch pin on the front end is in front of the rear axle, and rear end of drawbar with pin for trailer plough, and the drive wheels on a 2wd are at the back, behind the hitch point of drawbar, wheels, thus being behind the hitch point, so is the tractor pushing the plough?
I dont think so, only an idiot would think the tractor is pushing the plough, and before someone says i am out of order, it is true, only an idiot would think that way,
I dont think so, only an idiot would think the tractor is pushing the plough, and before someone says i am out of order, it is true, only an idiot would think that way,