National Beef Association on the wrong track ?

[Old Tip]

If anyone is looking for an alternative organisation to fight their corner then I would suggest they look to the RBST, the membership is half the cost of the NBA and we have a good relationship with the other smaller farming support organisations such as the Sustainable Food Trust, Craft Butchers Guild, Pasture for Life etc

 

[lloyd]

I agree there are real environmental issues with the soya protein - and to really complicate matters U.K. farmers use a lot of it and what’s more as most of it is GM or is grown with pesticides banned in the U.K. then it’s illegal to grow it here.

I know soya is high protein and used a lot in UK farming (myself included in the past)
but shouldn't we be spending money and research into improving alternative
protein crops ?This would be a win for the British farmer as we could distance
ourselves from the rainforest destruction ,be more sustainable ,have more diverse
arable farming in the UK and able to market our meat as a globally responsible ,healthier food.If we could tick that box then surely we would have a premium product
and not chasing the price of food to the bottom to compete with the subsidised USA.
Thankyou for replying to the previous post Guy.

 

[Clive]

There are paid for adverts in BFG and sponsorship of conference. But this doesn’t influence policy positions.

you really were wasted not going into politics Guy !

lets try again ... simple YES / No answer Please

are any Retailers, processors, agents or machinery or input manufacturers members of the nfu ?

y/n


are NFU members exclusively farmers ?

y/n


what % of nfu members are not farmers?




im not saying its wrong ti have none farming members or take there money just that a little clarity / transparency would be nice

 

[lloyd]

you really were wasted not going into politics Guy !

lets try again ... simple YES / No answer Please

are any Retailers, processors, agents or machinery or input manufacturers members of the nfu ?

y/n


are NFU members exclusively farmers ?

y/n


what % of nfu members are not farmers?




im not saying its wrong ti have none farming members or take there money just that a little clarity / transparency would be nice

You know the answer already so what's your point ?

 

[Top Tip.]

You know the answer already so what's your point ?

Exactly I can’t speak for NFu but NFUS has an associate membership, they are not full members I would imagine NFu would be the same ,why would that be a problem ? This is pettiness taken to the extreme!!

 

[egbert]

I don't know, but I was told they were having a version 2.

From the conversation I had with the NBA, NFU Scotland were in favour of the proposal and apparently the Rare Breeds Trust saw the merits of it !!

I think someone may or may not be 'a real little boy', but they're telling you whoppers there

 

[delilah]

Exactly I can’t speak for NFu but NFUS has an associate membership, they are not full members I would imagine NFu would be the same ,why would that be a problem ? This is pettiness taken to the extreme!!

Would beg to differ. NFUS will I imagine tell you who their associate members are. Very different from the NFU membership structure.

NFU accounts 2018
There is one catch-all line in the accounts:
'Members subscriptions and related income: £32m'

How much of that £32m comes from primary producers ?

Highly relevant to this thread and so many other aspects of what is happening in the industry.

Exactly and don't forget it has a wide readership following it so perhaps we should return to the National Feedlot Association's ambitions and neutralising any talk of "derogations" for proper farming

Agreed, apologies, will pursue elsewhere. And report back on here because, as said, its all connected.

 

[matthew]

If anyone is looking for an alternative organisation to fight their corner then I would suggest they look to the RBST, the membership is half the cost of the NBA and we have a good relationship with the other smaller farming support organisations such as the Sustainable Food Trust, Craft Butchers Guild, Pasture for Life etc

I approached the RBST on the subject of zTB. The reply was that the bulk of their subscribers are retirees with a couple of rare sheep. And btw, these people just lurve badgers.
My colleagues who breed rare cattle have given up a long time ago to try and change that mindset, but now realise that £££s talks.

 

[JP1]

I approached the RBST on the subject of zTB. The reply was that the bulk of their subscribers are retirees with a couple of rare sheep. And btw, these people just lurve badgers.
My colleagues who breed rare cattle have given up a long time ago to try and change that mindset, but now realise that £££s talks.

Furthermore (and despite who you talk to and they promise to talk to the high ups) they still refuse to recognise one of my breeds, so I think I'll pass thanks

 

[Henarar]

Exactly I can’t speak for NFu but NFUS has an associate membership, they are not full members I would imagine NFu would be the same ,why would that be a problem ? This is pettiness taken to the extreme!!

I agree, why the NFU are so petty about this I don't know, wouldnt cost them anything to be open

 

[Guy Smith]

you really were wasted not going into politics Guy !

lets try again ... simple YES / No answer Please

are any Retailers, processors, agents or machinery or input manufacturers members of the nfu ?

y/n


are NFU members exclusively farmers ?

y/n


what % of nfu members are not farmers?




im not saying its wrong ti have none farming members or take there money just that a little clarity / transparency would be nice

Strangely enough I’ve never poured through the details of the 47,000 full farming members of the NFU to see exactly who they are but I do know that there are members whose main source of income will be from things like retail, processing, Ag supply, environmental pressure groups etc but they are members not because they want to infiltrate the NFU as non-farmers with agendas that are antagonistic to the interests of farming but because they have farms.

But Clive, if you think I’m sitting on some dark secret about how non farming bodies or individuals clandestinely control or unduly influence NFU policy to the detriment of farmers then you carry on with your conspiracy theories because like most conspiracy theories I'm not minded to waste a lot of time trying to disprove them especially with those who want to believe them. You’ve heard my testimony based on my time at the NFU, if you think I’m not being honest then so be it.

 

[Clive]

Strangely enough I’ve never poured through the details of the 47,000 full farming members of the NFU to see exactly who they are but I do know that there are members whose main source of income will be from things like retail, processing, Ag supply, environmental pressure groups etc but they are members not because they want to infiltrate the NFU as non-farmers with agendas that are antagonistic to the interests of farming but because they have farms.

But Clive, if you think I’m sitting on some dark secret about how non farming bodies or individuals clandestinely control or unduly influence NFU policy to the detriment of farmers then you carry on with your conspiracy theories because like most conspiracy theories I'm not minded to waste a lot of time trying to disprove them especially with those who want to believe them. You’ve heard my testimony based on my time at the NFU, if you think I’m not being honest then so be it.

i would imagine you would know if the likes of Tesco/. BASF / Arla etc were members ? !

surely any leaders first job is to know who they represent?

im not claiming any kind of conspiracy or wrong doing is going on, i’m simply asking for clarification of exactly who is being represented


is thst really so unreasonable to ask ?

I think your answer above finally confirms that indeed there are retail, processor , pressure groups and input / machinery manufacturers as members - it must be difficult to manage the inevitable conflicts of interest that must cause at times ? (genuine question not a cheap pop at you !)

 

[delilah]

NFU National Livestock Board meeting next Tuesday. Item 1 is the NBA proposal.
All NFU members, make your views clear to your regional livestock rep. in advance.

 

[An Gof]

NFU National Livestock Board meeting next Tuesday. Item 1 is the NBA proposal.
All NFU members, make your views clear to your regional livestock rep. in advance.

The SW National Livestock board member knows my thoughts

 

[mo!]

The SW National Livestock board member knows my thoughts [emoji6][emoji106]

I've just raised this in the York East NFU meeting. The livestock board member for the North East is very much on board.

 

[An Gof]

I've just raised this in the York East NFU meeting. The livestock board member for the North East is very much on board.

My Board member knows my views but is difficult to draw one way or another. I’m not entirely sure of the view he will give on behalf of the whole SW which is what he represents. Perhaps other SW members should contact him and reiterate and reinforce their views.

 

[Henarar]

My Board member knows my views but is difficult to draw one way or another. I’m not entirely sure of the view he will give on behalf of the whole SW which is what he represents. Perhaps other SW members should contact him and reiterate and reinforce their views.

No idea who it is or how to contact them

 

[Old Tip]

I approached the RBST on the subject of zTB. The reply was that the bulk of their subscribers are retirees with a couple of rare sheep. And btw, these people just lurve badgers.
My colleagues who breed rare cattle have given up a long time ago to try and change that mindset, but now realise that £££s talks.

How long ago was that, must have been before I was involved, never heard such tripe

 

[matthew]

How long ago was that, must have been before I was involved, never heard such tripe

Royal Cornwall Show. I’ve tried a few times, the most recent probably 4 years ago.
Two friends in the Longhorn world tried as well. No joy.

 

[delilah]

Any news in last couple of days ?
This version 2 that has been mentioned, does anyone know what the timeframe/ consultation process (?) is to be ?