National Beef Association on the wrong track ?

[M-J-G]

I think the number of winters will have a fairly large influence on overall footprint (excluding methane).
Personally I prefer to see cattle off the farm ASAP.

1 winter instead of 2 means that in a lifetime finishing cattle eat less conserved forage, need half the housing facilities, put less hours on machinery meaning it will last more winters ...

 

[Hilly]

Your all missing the point ! All this carbon foot print is load of nonsense as far as we are concerned , don’t pander to the lies , they are pushing the environmental cars so they can dig coal .

 

[Old Tip]

I think the number of winters will have a fairly large influence on overall footprint (excluding methane).
Personally I prefer to see cattle off the farm ASAP.

1 winter instead of 2 means that in a lifetime finishing cattle eat less conserved forage, need half the housing facilities, put less hours on machinery meaning it will last more winters ...

But what if you don’t need machinery or silage or housing or fert but slaughter at 30m

 

[JP1]

But what if you don’t need machinery or silage or housing or fert but slaughter at 30m

True but it's even wetter than your place in NI

 

[DaveGrohl]

But what if you don’t need machinery or silage or housing or fert but slaughter at 30m

Quite. And then there’s date of breeding too to do away with a housing period. Don’t worry, he’s overthinking it.

 

[M-J-G]

But what if you don’t need machinery or silage or housing or fert but slaughter at 30m

That depends on how many cattle you can deal with on the place at any one time.

That's fine on a hill farm where you don't house stock, but keeping a cow and her last 3 calves on the farm at any time doesn't make sense in most cases IMO.

 

[M-J-G]

True but it's even wetter than your place in NI

And cattle can be in for 8 months eating imported concentrate

 

[M-J-G]

Your all missing the point ! All this carbon foot print is load of nonsense as far as we are concerned , don’t pander to the lies , they are pushing the environmental cars so they can dig coal .

And making money off fake meat

 

[Old Tip]

True but it's even wetter than your place in NI

I very much doubt it

 

[M-J-G]

I very much doubt it

Very few cattle can outwinter there, so I'd guess you must have better conditions for it.

 

[Old Tip]

Very few cattle can outwinter there, so I'd guess you must have better conditions for it.

Very few cattle can outwinter there, so I'd guess you must have better conditions for

They get less than half of the rain we do, diffrent land maybe but definitely not wetter

 

[Old Tip]

True but it's even wetter than your place in NI

Lot less rain than us

 

[milkloss]

See how easily we can divide ourselves? They've got it easy.

 

[delilah]

See how easily we can divide ourselves? They've got it easy.

Add to that the AHDB and NFU both batting for corporate control. Industry is a joke.

 

[M-J-G]

They get less than half of the rain we do, diffrent land maybe but definitely not wetter

They'll get less on average, around 2m/year, but that doesn't mean they can outwinter cattle, ground conditions just can't handle it.
I have a friend on Mull who get 11ft of rain per year, and they outwinter cows on a hill, if we got that here, there's no way we could keep cows out on fields.

 

[Old Tip]

They'll get less on average, around 2m/year, but that doesn't mean they can outwinter cattle, ground conditions just can't handle it.
I have a friend on Mull who get 11ft of rain per year, and they outwinter cows on a hill, if we got that here, there's no way we could keep cows out on fields.

As I said it’s the land as well as the rain, but I’m just trying to get across that not everyone has the same system and putting in stupid restrictions would make things worse