National parks - more?

[Gong Farmer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44268724

Not aware of what it means to farm in them.

No indication here of likely areas but presumably convert some AONBs

 

[milkloss]

Saw that. Don’t national parks also bring the right to roam with them?

 

[DrWazzock]

Mr Gove is becoming a liability. An unqualified meddler with a decidely middle class urban view of things. Pandering to the guardianistas for his own political benefit while we pay the price. I am sick of hearing him.

What happened to laissez faire and light government? Those used be core values of the right. Now we seem to be heading towards a kind of nationalisation of private assets by the backdoor. We obviously aren't trusted and nanny state knows better.

Time for him to move on before he does any more damage.

 

[JP1]

Mr Gove is becoming a liability. An unqualified meddler with a decidely middle class urban view of things. Pandering to the guardianistas for his own political benefit while we pay the price. I am sick of hearing him.

What happened to laissez faire and light government? Those used be core values of the right. Now we seem to be heading towards a kind of nationalisation of private assets by the backdoor. We obviously aren't trusted and nanny state knows better.

Time for him to move on before he does any more damage.

He was the Doyen for all things leave . Great White Heat and all that. Maybe he's now bricking it that when real World economics hit farming operations to compete, it will be totally decimated?

 

[exmoor dave]

Saw that. Don’t national parks also bring the right to roam with them?

Not on farm land, but moorland is right to roam, but that's the same inside or outside national parks (England).

 

[TheTallGuy]

Saw that. Don’t national parks also bring the right to roam with them?

No, it's more about making it harder to do things that could adversely affect the nature of the park - not that Joe Public sees it that way. I have to say that my first reaction was that someone needs to kick him in the nuts for this, but on reflection, I think that we probably are due for a review & provided he doesn't go too far it's not a bad idea. Besides which, I am not sure that a kick there would have much effect...

 

[primmiemoo]

When the AONBs were still new-ish on the ground, someone said to me that we'd be able to see their outlines from satellite as the years go on because of the weak planning system outside them, and the lazy use of roads as boundaries.

He was right, y'know ~ drive around the SW Peninsula, and there's a ribbon of touristification around the Special areas.

True, it's opportunistic income for a few, but unique landscapes that weren't protected ~ because they don't have that Home Counties suburban dweller's idea of chocolate box twee (the popularity of Capability Jones's landscaping has warped many sensibilities over the centuries since), or because of the blunt demarcation using roads ~ are gradually being lost.

The new review will probably be expensive, gummy, result in currently unprotected landscapes being dismissed once again, or make farmers bear the burden of the whims of visitors with over-developed senses of entitlement.

Nobody wants a repeat of the English Right to Roam farce. The present problems that I understand have come about in parts of Scotland should be a lesson to Gove et al.

 

[theboytheboy]

Main issue we have is the loss of some of the permitted development rights that we would have had if we had not been just inside the boundary

 

[DrWazzock]

Here we already have very tight planning rules outside the AONB. I really can't think what can possibly be gained by adding yet more restrictions. Every time Mr Gove speaks he potentially just heaps further costs onto agriculture. How does that help our competitiveness on world markets?

And surely the future of our countryside should be in our own hands, not just in one ill informed man's warped vision?

Time he wound his neck in.

 

[DrWazzock]

He was the Doyen for all things leave . Great White Heat and all that. Maybe he's now bricking it that when real World economics hit farming operations to compete, it will be totally decimated?

Sadly now proven to be a self serving opportunist.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I wonder what the data is on how much National park status brings in versus not? I don't have a big problem with the principle of national parks to be honest, but I agree the planning process would need to remain helpful

 

[TheTallGuy]

As much as it pains me to defend him, he has responsibilities beyond us farmers...

 

[DrWazzock]

I really don't understand what would have been so wrong in leaving the SFP system as it was, leaving the ELS scheme as it was. Leaving the present planning and national parked systems as they are.

There is about the right balance of access to the countryside and tourism now.

When will politicians learn to stop tinkering and let people get on with their lives and let systems that work bed in, rather than overturn the whole lot and create another mess that takes years to sort out, only then to scrap that and start all over again.

They aren't realists or pragmatic. If they had ever run a business they would know we need stability and simplicity. But they haven't, so they don't.

 

[fgc325j]

I really don't understand what would have been so wrong in leaving the SFP system as it was, leaving the ELS scheme as it was. Leaving the present planning and national parked systems as they are.

There is about the right balance of access to the countryside and tourism now.

When will politicians learn to stop tinkering and let people get on with their lives and let systems that work bed in, rather than overturn the whole lot and create another mess that takes years to sort out, only then to scrap that and start all over again.

They aren't realists or pragmatic. If they had ever run a business they would know we need stability and simplicity. But they haven't, so they don't.

Politicians/Beaureacrats - they have to justify their existence/salaries/expenses, and to prove that a new
broom sweeps clean, they come up with nonsensical rules.
Like it or not the new system will be based on a area payment and the planting of trees, simply because
they will be able to check on the work done via aerial photography using drones. Let's face it, if a drone
pilot based in the mountains of Colorado can take out a rebel target in Afghanistan, and remember this
was being done 10 years ago, then checking fields, and what has been planted in them, from an office
in the UK will be a doddle. Check out Google earth via Magic maps - the detail is incredible.

 

[Martin Holden]

He was the Doyen for all things leave . Great White Heat and all that. Maybe he's now bricking it that when real World economics hit farming operations to compete, it will be totally decimated?

In truth I don’t think any of the leave politicians had any idea about what leaving would look like and all the other consequences attached to it. No one knows apart from a fair idea of what we won’t “enjoy” outside. What we just don’t know is how the world will work for UK plc after we leave. A magical mystery tour if ever there was one.

 

[Walterp]

Sadly now proven to be a self serving opportunist.

'I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.'

(King James Bible version)

 

[7610 super q]

I for one like the tight planning restrictions in NP's.
Fed up with seeing green fields disappearing under concrete, and why has every shack / barn / shed have to be turned into bloody holiday cottages ?
Tin hat on.......

 

[curlietailz]

If your "bought and paid for", or "bought and still being paid for" land is designated in a "new" National Park..... I wonder how much compensation the Govt will be offering.?

 

[primmiemoo]

I for one like the tight planning restrictions in NP's.
Fed up with seeing green fields disappearing under concrete, and why has every shack / barn / shed have to be turned into bloody holiday cottages ?
Tin hat on.......

There's a weight of Relocators, Relocators, Relocators who move to a Western Location, Location, Location, buy up split off former farmhouses/cottages and the sheds around them and form holiday letting places for lifestyle businesses, completely severing those places from their roots. Gated places containing gated minds. Heverso popular in the golf club or [name of first business owner's club that springs to mind ~ particularly if sloppily run], though.

A driver came here after asking the not-so-new-now next door un-neighbours for directions, and they didn't even know the names of the hamlets, let alone the junctions and crossways to advise him. They've been there more than 5 years!

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Not on farm land, but moorland is right to roam, but that's the same inside or outside national parks (England).

And Wales. Two of my farms are wholly within the SNP but only the top half of each farm is subject to the CROW Act.