Naylor’s Cabbage Factory

Lowland1

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I don’t know the answer to that but I’ll guess it could be that we don’t have a big enough gut to extract enough protein from raw or cooked cabbages alone to meet our needs so we still need to eat meat, eggs etc. I would presume the factory is pre digesting and concentrating the protein for us so then perhaps we don’t need to eat meat to top up our protein requirements.
It’s all a bit 6 and half a dozen as far I’m concerned. Why displace meat grown on clover which supplies its own nitrogen with no natural gas needed, with crops that presently rely on irreplaceable natural gas as the nitrogen source? But anyway, if it keeps folks happy and busy then good luck to them.
My wife is vegetarian and the amount of foliage she gets through is phenomenal but I don’t think she’d be keen of processed cabbage protein. If you went to a Lincolnshire primary school in the late 1970’s like me you might remember TVP mince another Lincolnshire first a soya meat replacement that would have turned the most ardent Vegan carnivorous.
 

unlacedgecko

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Fife
My wife is vegetarian and the amount of foliage she gets through is phenomenal but I don’t think she’d be keen of processed cabbage protein. If you went to a Lincolnshire primary school in the late 1970’s like me you might remember TVP mince another Lincolnshire first a soya meat replacement that would have turned the most ardent Vegan carnivorous.
I spent the first 15 years of my life eating that shite. I was a small child. Until I started eating meat and working on a farm.
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
The fibres used by these manufacturers of alternative fibres such as bamboo, generally convert the fibre first to a polyester. so it may be Bamboo, cabbage or whatever but at the end of the day it is just as bad for the environment as any other synthetic
s'funny.
I'm flogging a fantastic natural fibre that's produced without any ploughing/fert/tractors.
It pretty much walks off the hill into a big sack every year, albeit with a dog, a stick, and the sweat off a few lads backs.
It's got thousands of years of history as one of the all time go-to fibres, it made countries fortunes, and was currency itself for some time.

But apparently only worth about £200/tonne in bulk.
Is cabbage fibre going to come in less than that?

I wonder what shape the new 'wheel' is going to be when it comes along.
 

itsalwaysme

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Location
Cheshire
s'funny.
I'm flogging a fantastic natural fibre that's produced without any ploughing/fert/tractors.
It pretty much walks off the hill into a big sack every year, albeit with a dog, a stick, and the sweat off a few lads backs.
It's got thousands of years of history as one of the all time go-to fibres, it made countries fortunes, and was currency itself for some time.

But apparently only worth about £200/tonne in bulk.
Is cabbage fibre going to come in less than that?

I wonder what shape the new 'wheel' is going to be when it comes along.
Just about sums up what a mad world it is.

About 20 years ago there was a factory built in North Wales for processing Flax, I baled some for a customer he had to provide a certain number of bales, the rest was stacked in the field and burnt
Don't know what happened to the factory, my customer only grew it for one year
@Bald Rick might know
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
Just about sums up what a mad world it is.

About 20 years ago there was a factory built in North Wales for processing Flax, I baled some for a customer he had to provide a certain number of bales, the rest was stacked in the field and burnt
Don't know what happened to the factory, my customer only grew it for one year
@Bald Rick might know
yeah I remember it was going to set the world alight...,but mostly just got set alight
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
yeah I remember it was going to set the world alight...,but mostly just got set alight
I suspect like so many of these things, big grants get paid to set these things up, directors take big salaries, financed by borrowings from bank. 2 years later it does not pay due to high cost environment in UK and company collapses leaving a lot of unpaid bills
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
It’s debatable both ways though.
I don’t see it as much different to turning wheat into Weetabix. The human body isn’t really equipped to turn a lot of plant material into usable protein very efficiently so preprocessing is necessary. We have been cooking things for thousands of years. The cabbage factory is just an added on process which could hopefully enable us to get more of our energy and nutrition from the cabbage than by eating them raw or boiled. You could also say that feeding the cabbage to animals is a preprocessing system that turns the cabbage into a more nutritious and concentrated form, I.e. meat. There are pluses and minuses to both approaches but I’d say the factory system is here to stay and good luck to them. Meanwhile I’ll go and move the lambs into a fresh block of turnips.
I don’t see plant based protein as a threat. There is a lot of land that is only suited to livestock and so livestock production has a secure future in my view.
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
It’s debatable both ways though.
I don’t see it as much different to turning wheat into Weetabix. The human body isn’t really equipped to turn a lot of plant material into usable protein very efficiently so preprocessing is necessary. We have been cooking things for thousands of years. The cabbage factory is just an added on process which could hopefully enable us to get more of our energy and nutrition from the cabbage than by eating them raw or boiled. You could also say that feeding the cabbage to animals is a preprocessing system that turns the cabbage into a more nutritious and concentrated form, I.e. meat. There are pluses and minuses to both approaches but I’d say the factory system is here to stay and good luck to them. Meanwhile I’ll go and move the lambs into a fresh block of turnips.
I don’t see plant based protein as a threat. There is a lot of land that is only suited to livestock and so livestock production has a secure future in my view.


It would be nice to see a proper objective study comparing the environmental impact of this kind of processing to meat production if its sole purpose is to replace meat.

It does seem that this has the potential to be far less damaging for the environment than most of the 'plant based' foods currently being sold falsely as better than meat.
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
It would be nice to see a proper objective study comparing the environmental impact of this kind of processing to meat production if its sole purpose is to replace meat.

It does seem that this has the potential to be far less damaging for the environment than most of the 'plant based' foods currently being sold falsely as better than meat.
I still think that nitrogen source is a fundamental issue with real sustainability. Nitrogen (and energy) is the building block for protein whether it’s plant or livestock based. I see a grass/clover ley as a very natural very sustainable source of energy and nitrogen which is converted and concentrated into highly usable protein by grazing animals. No bagged N needed. No other source of energy other than sunlight. A stable soil cover which locks in carbon building OM if correctly managed. It’s the best system yet, but vegans don’t want to know.
 

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