Neighbours beans migrated to our grass leys

[FarmerD89]

Strange situation this afternoon on our walks fairly clean old grass ley we sprayed the start of this year with PasTor noticed a singular bean plant had established itself, thought nothing more of it, then spent four hours pulling beans from over an 8 acre field ( multiples of beans in one spot) Not quite sure how they’ve migrated from the neighbours field through a hedge, deer? but in the quandary of how to deal with them come spring, as we don’t want them ending up in horse haylage more than likely inciting a moan from buyers. How fragile would these plants be in the spring versus the chain harrows? As inevitably I’ve missed a few. really hoping to not have to respray this year coming.

 

[glasshouse]

Strange situation this afternoon on our walks fairly clean old grass ley we sprayed the start of this year with PasTor noticed a singular bean plant had established itself, thought nothing more of it, then spent four hours pulling beans from over an 8 acre field ( multiples of beans in one spot) Not quite sure how they’ve migrated from the neighbours field through a hedge, deer? but in the quandary of how to deal with them come spring, as we don’t want them ending up in horse haylage more than likely inciting a moan from buyers. How fragile would these plants be in the spring versus the chain harrows? As inevitably I’ve missed a few. really hoping to not have to respray this year coming.

Crows and pigeons
Cough them back up maybe

 

[michael N123]

Graze hard early on in spring

 

[FarmerD89]

Good idea but we don’t have any livestock think her few horses may be out their depth

 

[serf]

We had them in PP from neighbours beans, presume it was pigeons dropping them , didnt bother about it , they were gone when field was grazed, but suppose your not going graze before shutting up to mow !

 

[Brisel]

Do you have any other weeds that need treating? The regular grassland herbicides will give good control of beans. Mecoprop is cheap enough.

 

[FarmerD89]

We had them in PP from neighbours beans, presume it was pigeons dropping them , didnt bother about it , they were gone when field was grazed, but suppose your not going graze before shutting up to mow !

no sadly not fert on and mow as early as possible. Possibly pulled a two hundred, was hoping they’d be fairly fragile to chain harrows but my fields are that wet you’d need a hovercraft untill spring.... so sprays are going to be abit late and last minute with large beans. How successful is the likes of depitox 2-4-d on them? As I’ve a few litres of that in the spray shed I think. Bad enough on the amount of thistlex we’ve had to buy for away ground because of horsey neighbours record breaking thistle crop. Have asked them to spray their fields or we’ll be billing them for our sprays.

 

[Brisel]

I don’t have my notes available but 2,4D will certainly twist the beans up well. If you have a thistle problem then MCPA may be a better option. I’ve never tried MCPA on beans, so I’m paging @Bogweevil @richard hammond and @Woodlander on this

 

[FarmerD89]

ah no the thistle problem is on another block of land away from the bean issue. Never brown beans there’s my hopes dashed of them being fragile but on the thistle issue how well does MCPA and 200g of triclopyr give black thorn suckers a headache ?

 

[serf]

Bad enough on the amount of thistlex we’ve had to buy for away ground because of horsey neighbours record breaking thistle crop.

We have had plenty of thistle in past from 'organic' neighbour , but under control now, ur up against it tho if you got horse job next door , freaking nightmare they are !!! They not got a pot to pee in so they wont be spraying anything even if they had the inclination to do so

 

[FarmerD89]

We have had plenty of thistle in past from 'organic' neighbour , but under control now, ur up against it tho if you got horse job next door , freaking nightmare they are !!! They not got a pot to pee in so they wont be spraying anything even if they had the inclination to do so

They’ve had a pasture empty all summer and it’s crazy the thistle problem, they asked me to top it with the flail but I said yes but I’d had to charge to disinfect our topper to come back onto our ground with the power washer on their yard and they spat their dummy out and got some ‘owd boy with a 135 to top it with a 6ft topper a few weeks after so you can imagine the shed of seeds when they were just settling them loose.

 

[GeorgeK]

Were the beans broadcast? They can travel quite a distance beyond their intended target

 

[FarmerD89]

No they were last years crop harvested. Drilled with a drill anyway we’ve only just noticed them 5-6” tall now. To be fair I’ve not walked the fields in a few weeks.

 

[beefandsleep]

I wouldn’t think they would compete enough with an established grass key to make a significant contribution to your hay cut and they will be gone by second cut. Really wouldn’t worry about them, free N fixers anyway.

 

[Brisel]

ah no the thistle problem is on another block of land away from the bean issue. Never brown beans there’s my hopes dashed of them being fragile but on the thistle issue how well does MCPA and 200g of triclopyr give black thorn suckers a headache ?

Triclopyr is the right herbicide on woody weeds like thorn suckers but I can’t remember the dose. You will be limited by product label limits and I’d say that was a good start on them.

 

[FarmerD89]

I wouldn’t think they would compete enough with an established grass key to make a significant contribution to your hay cut and they will be gone by second cut. Really wouldn’t worry about them, free N fixers anyway.

always Some positive in a negative at least they’re not growing borage or I’d have been quite annoyed by now

 

[Hindsight]

No probs. Cheap irritation with simple solution.

Low dose hormone herbicide next March. Usually either 1 lt/ha CMPP (£6 lt) or 1 lt/ha MCPA (£5 lt), although could use 2,4D at 1 lt/ha (£5lt) if you want. This dose will see them curl up and disappear before haylage mown mid May.

My view anyway but others will know better than me.

 

[Flat 10]

No probs. Cheap irritation with simple solution.

Low dose hormone herbicide next March. Usually either 1 lt/ha CMPP (£6 lt) or 1 lt/ha MCPA (£5 lt), although could use 2,4D at 1 lt/ha (£5lt) if you want. This dose will see them curl up and disappear before haylage mown mid May.

My view anyway but others will know better than me.

This. Harrowing and flat rolling will no doubt damage some and kill some if you were planning those passes anyway but the hormones will do an almost perfect job at a low cost. Personally I doubt you will notice a few in the haylage if you left them.

 

[2wheels]

They’ve had a pasture empty all summer and it’s crazy the thistle problem, they asked me to top it with the flail but I said yes but I’d had to charge to disinfect our topper to come back onto our ground with the power washer on their yard and they spat their dummy out and got some ‘owd boy with a 135 to top it with a 6ft topper a few weeks after so you can imagine the shed of seeds when they were just settling them loose.

probably won't pay the owd boy either.

 

[tr250]

Yea we have got a fair few this year in grass I think it’s crows. My kids emptied their wellys on a patch of grass and they have all grown. Personally I wouldn’t bother as I think the ryegrass ley Will out compete them and they will be tiny it’s definitely not worth a chemical treatment I’d have not bothered pulling them either