Neonic resistance

[Hammer]

Really ??whats your main fear ??
Loss of CTL is a blow but there’s still Azoxy, teb, boscalid and pyracla ( albeit expensively in Signum )

Well as @snarling bee says above, my fear is how long will the remaining fungicides be approved and effective - azoxy, teb and pyraclostob are all single site, CTL of course was economical and effective, and the margin in growing beans leaves little for expensive inputs. I'll try and share your optimism though!

 

[ollie989898]

I don't see much point lobbying for a chemical which will soon be useless anyway.

 

[Banana Bar]

My main focus in agronomy now is nutrition and nitrogen use efficiency. How to make plants more resilient and not get the crazy lush growth the large amounts of AN give that lets disease in. Making big changes to our fertiliser regime for next season.

If you keep eating sugar and fat you’ll grow very quickly as a child but you’ll then need insulin and blood pressure tablets as you mature.

If you eat healthily you won’t be so big but you’ll probably manage fine without the chemical intervention to keep you alive.

Is this relevant?

 

[Barleymow]

i really don’t think lack of Neonics is why csfb is an issue, it’s easier to lay blame than take responsibility or ever admit we maybe might have farmed in a less than perfect way !

hard truth is far to much osr has been grown in too tight a rotation and insecticide have been abused, IPM and beneficials lather ignored. I am willing to bet that even with neonics osr would still be very hard to grow in the uk now ........ what’s going on in Canada backs that up !

no wonder we have resistance, what’s next ? wheat ? then what happens !

Adam is right - UK ag has to stop living in the past and start looking for the kind of innovative future solutions our customers want and our children’s environment demands

I only started growing rape in 2015 flea beetles caused problems on virgin fields

 

[ajd132]

If you keep eating sugar and fat you’ll grow very quickly as a child but you’ll then need insulin and blood pressure tablets as you mature.

If you eat healthily you won’t be so big but you’ll probably manage fine without the chemical intervention to keep you alive.

Is this relevant?

I think it’s a good analogy. Also thinking of soil like a stomach, with microbes good and bad is also a useful one.

 

[ajd132]

Well as @snarling bee says above, my fear is how long will the remaining fungicides be approved and effective - azoxy, teb and pyraclostob are all single site, CTL of course was economical and effective, and the margin in growing beans leaves little for expensive inputs. I'll try and share your optimism though!

They are obviously doing a pretty crap job at lobbying to keep chemicals!

 

[Suffolk Serf]

I think it’s a good analogy. Also thinking of soil like a stomach, with microbes good and bad is also a useful one.

Another analogy is that what goes on in soil is more of a symbiosis like the ruminant animal digestive system.
Any ruminant farmer knows that by feeding roughage to ruminants your not directly feeding the animal but feeding rumen dwelling bacteria which go on to be digested by the animal (who says cattle are vegetarian?).
Thereby doing the wonderful task of converting otherwise indigestible plant cellulose into protein.
Organic material into soil gets similarly converted into plant nutrients by bacteria as far as I can see.
Isn’t nature brilliant?

 

[T Hectares]

Well as @snarling bee says above, my fear is how long will the remaining fungicides be approved and effective - azoxy, teb and pyraclostob are all single site, CTL of course was economical and effective, and the margin in growing beans leaves little for expensive inputs. I'll try and share your optimism though!

The same fears as for cereals then!!!

 

[Clive]

I only started growing rape in 2015 flea beetles caused problems on virgin fields

as I posted pest and disease doesn’t respect fences

 

[Clive]

They are obviously doing a pretty crap job at lobbying to keep chemicals!

waste of time and money on many levels

biggest reason we loose actives is so big Ag can sell us a replacement that’s not off patent imo

if the big Ag chemical co’s really wanted these actives to stay they could lobby government more successfully than any union I’m sure, but why would they support actives they can’t make money out of and get in the way of the new ones ?

 

[ajd132]

waste of time and money on many levels

biggest reason we loose actives is so big Ag can sell us a replacement that’s not off patent imo

if the big Ag chemical co’s really wanted these actives to stay they could lobby government more successfully than any union I’m sure, but why would they support actives they can’t make money out of and get in the way of the new ones ?

There is definitely a case of this I think. Why save CTL when they can sell us revystar!

 

[Two Tone]

There seems little rhyme or reason as to why those who have got a crop this year have succeeded and those who tried everything to get the crop to survive failed to do so. Be they No-TIL, Companion crops, Drilling date, rotation or Hen muck

Neonics may have started to lose their effectiveness before they were banned, but that does not mean they wouldn’t work again, if we could use them after the 3-4 years we’ve not been allowed to.

The basis on which Neonics was banned was based on flawed science and scaremongering. Hungary never banned Neonics and their bee population is rising. But regardless of this, banning actives such as Neonics and CTL unchallenged by the likes of NFU will simply lead to more and more useful and safe actives being banned also.

What are we going to do when Glyphosate gets banned?

FFS WAKE UP and don’t just accept and allow these tools to be lost.


One thing is certain on this farm here re Neonics. They worked and ever since they have gone I have struggled and CSFB has got worse and worse. Not just the grazing at establishment, but the damage done later by the larvae, which I had never ever seen before in any of my rape. And is the real reason why I shall not attempt to grow rape on this farm again until a new remedy is found OR Neonics are allowed to be used again!

If we just give up and allow these products to be banned, then those Countries that continue to use them will simply replace the markets we have lost. Simples!

 

[snarling bee]

^^^ Can't like this enough.

 

[snarling bee]

biggest reason we loose actives is so big Ag can sell us a replacement that’s not off patent imo

Nothing to do with politics or the green lobby then?