Net Zero

Y Fan Wen

Member
Location
N W Snowdonia
Good point that. I wonder if when people put in solar panels or a wind turbine whether they actually consider the carbon emissions used to manufacture that too. Or do they just include the good bits and ignore the rest? I think so.
I haven't considered that in my projected scheme. I'm just concerned with the bottom line as in any investment. Any of us researched the emmissions used by building your new tractor?
 

Y Fan Wen

Member
Location
N W Snowdonia
Seeing as China emit 26% of all the world's GHG and are still building ever more coal fired power stations, and have no intention of cutting back any time soon, all this is just p!ssing in the wind and farmers are getting wet trousers.

What a time to be alive
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
I haven't considered that in my projected scheme. I'm just concerned with the bottom line as in any investment. Any of us researched the emmissions used by building your new tractor?
The tractor is needed for its work.

The purposes of the solar panels/turbine I’m referring to are the virtue signalling used by many firms to be shown to reduce carbon emissions, nothing else. The trouble is it also causes extra consumption of resources and carbon in the process. @DaveGrohl seems to suggest this is negligible however.
 

DaveGrohl

Member
Location
Cumbria
The tractor is needed for its work.

The purposes of the solar panels/turbine I’m referring to are the virtue signalling used by many firms to be shown to reduce carbon emissions, nothing else. The trouble is it also causes extra consumption of resources and carbon in the process. @DaveGrohl seems to suggest this is negligible however.
I didn't say it was negligible, just that it balanced the manufacturing carbon inside a year. There isn't an actual answer to all of this though, the best we can do is try to minimise. And of course, even if the human race stopped emitting carbon today warming will continue because of what's happened already.
Edit: I couldn't even swear if the "inside a year" was solely the carbon involved in the construction of a turbine or if it was also adding in the carbon saved by not burning fossil fuels over a number of years. I'm fairly sure it's just the manufacturing carbon though but please feel free to do your own.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
I didn't say it was negligible, just that it balanced the manufacturing carbon inside a year. There isn't an actual answer to all of this though, the best we can do is try to minimise. And of course, even if the human race stopped emitting carbon today warming will continue because of what's happened already.
Badly phrased on my part. Hearing your comments suggested to me that it was far more negligible than I had anticipated/expected it to be. :)
 

GeorgeK

Member
Location
Leicestershire
In the words of the Rizzle Kicks:

Na na, na na, never gonna happen.
Net Zero promises must take inspiration from the rationale of an alcoholic:
"I've got in under control, I can stop whenever I like. Just one more to get me straight then tomorrow I'm going clean. I just need to take the edge off it's been a bad day."
 
Morrison’s have made a big commitment for all farmer suppliers to be bet zero by 2030.
Why single out farmer suppliers?

Why not start asking the big bakeries/brewers/food processors about their carbon footprints? Off setting your own CF by growing forage for your own animals is a walk in the park compared to some of these massive industrial sites, whose only hope is to buy carbon credits in the developing world (n)
 

Brisel

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
Morrison’s have made a big commitment for all farmer suppliers to be bet zero by 2030.

How will machinery intensive businesses achieve this particularly thinking of the root cropping guys and large dairy units.
With great difficulty. Quaker are asking their oat growers about this already, not explicitly, but offering £1/t premium if we do the audit. I can see a suit on the board of the Pepsico parent saying that they want their suppliers to be net zero as a marketing ploy. I'm not selling any of my carbon credits yet in case I need them for legislated carbon targets. I doubt I'm Net Zero even with planting trees every year. Nitrogen fertiliser & intensive tillage are going to need some serious offsetting.
 

Chickcatcher

Member
Location
SG9 0RG
Been wondering for some time what my Carbon output is. Just seen that a fully grown tree absorbs 21KgCo2 a year also seen that an acre of wheat absorbs 5000KgCo2 a year. Also been on a calculator and found that 15000Kw of Electric produces around 3000KgCo2 made interesting reading.
Any ideas what would constitute ones actual carbon foot print/ I suppose all delivery/collection vehicles, livestock grown, Big surprise was a ton of wood pellets produced 83Kg of Carbon yet a kilo of LPG was of the scale in comparison 1000Ltrs produces 1560Kg of Co2.
 

teslacoils

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
With great difficulty. Quaker are asking their oat growers about this already, not explicitly, but offering £1/t premium if we do the audit. I can see a suit on the board of the Pepsico parent saying that they want their suppliers to be net zero as a marketing ploy. I'm not selling any of my carbon credits yet in case I need them for legislated carbon targets. I doubt I'm Net Zero even with planting trees every year. Nitrogen fertiliser & intensive tillage are going to need some serious offsetting.
I grew my oat crop with 100 percent digestate from food waste. Last carbon audit I looked at still told me I was using carbon from this, which is just crazy. Passing the buck down the chain.
 

C.J

Member
Location
South Devon
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John Barrett
13 hrs ·

Tiree, Scotland, UK.
Another post in my remote UK weather station series of annual mean maximum summer temperatures. Scotland and England are building wind farm monstrosities with gay abandon for no reason. There is no alarming 'Global Warming' outside of built up urban areas. Any slight global warming, or cooling, is due to natural causes (in Scotland's case, the Atlantic (Ocean) Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO)). Indeed the AMO is well recognised in hundreds of scientific papers
As an oldie, I remember the 'Global Cooling' scare in the mid 1970s, now it is the much more amplified 'Global Warming' scare. Scientists have sold their soul to grab the money from taxing Governments and greedy snake oil windfarm/solar salesmen, as they expand their influence and University departments.
Man Made Global Warming is a CON! That a life giving trace gas of CO2 can cause Global Warming is a CON!
 

N.Yorks.

Member
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John Barrett
13 hrs ·

Tiree, Scotland, UK.
Another post in my remote UK weather station series of annual mean maximum summer temperatures. Scotland and England are building wind farm monstrosities with gay abandon for no reason. There is no alarming 'Global Warming' outside of built up urban areas. Any slight global warming, or cooling, is due to natural causes (in Scotland's case, the Atlantic (Ocean) Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO)). Indeed the AMO is well recognised in hundreds of scientific papers
As an oldie, I remember the 'Global Cooling' scare in the mid 1970s, now it is the much more amplified 'Global Warming' scare. Scientists have sold their soul to grab the money from taxing Governments and greedy snake oil windfarm/solar salesmen, as they expand their influence and University departments.
Man Made Global Warming is a CON! That a life giving trace gas of CO2 can cause Global Warming is a CON!
Seems at odds with Met Office long term data ?
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/uk-temperature-rainfall-and-sunshine-time-series

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bigw

Member
Location
Scotland
Why single out farmer suppliers?

Why not start asking the big bakeries/brewers/food processors about their carbon footprints? Off setting your own CF by growing forage for your own animals is a walk in the park compared to some of these massive industrial sites, whose only hope is to buy carbon credits in the developing world (n)
It is going to be across all sectors. Farmers hold the majority of the assets to offset the carbon footprint of others, ironically carbon sequestration isn't taken into a farms calculation at the moment!
 

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