Nettles!!!

neilo

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Montgomeryshire
Does Thrust kill nettles?
I think Grazon is for nettles and thistles.
Thrust is for thistles and rushes.
If that’s right can the two chemicals be mixed to finish off all 3 suspects?
It’s above my pay grade and we just use Grazon in bike tank, then separately Mcpa for the few rushes which remain here.

Thrust is 2-4D and Dicamba, which will hit nettles to a degree. Adding Hurler (Fluroxypyr) will strengthen the activity against nettles (& docks), far cheaper than mixing with Grazon.

Add Clopyralid (plenty of generics available) if you want to hit creeping thistles effectively. That’s the ‘thistle ingredient’ in Grazon/Thistlex/Pastor/etc).
 

Bury the Trash

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Mixed Farmer
Nettles ? simple you shouldn't have them :sneaky:

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or thistles :oops:
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:ROFLMAO::cautious:
 

Agrivator

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Just count yourselves lucky that you have soil rich enough to grow nettles.

And Thrust ((at less than £60/5litres) will kill them off almost completely over about three years. But nettles are a legacy of the activity of our ancestors of generations ago. I guess that there is a big bank of seeds in the soil, ready to re-colonise.

It would be great if we could genetically modify nettles so that they could be conserved as a safe winter feed for cattle and sheep.
 
Just count yourselves lucky that you have soil rich enough to grow nettles.

And Thrust ((at less than £60/5litres) will kill them off almost completely over about three years. But nettles are a legacy of the activity of our ancestors of generations ago. I guess that there is a big bank of seeds in the soil, ready to re-colonise.

It would be great if we could genetically modify nettles so that they could be conserved as a safe winter feed for cattle and sheep.

I was always told nettles are a sign of high fertility, and you do tend to see them in field boundaries where grass clippings have been left.

Thrust as you say is pretty cheap on a per litre basis compared to grazon, just get's expensive if you are having to buy lots of cans to go putting in a boom sprayer. Fortunately, you can reduce the rate and then add other products to it to bring the cost per acre under control. Used to be wicked with cimarron in the tank with it.
 
Just count yourselves lucky that you have soil rich enough to grow nettles.

And Thrust ((at less than £60/5litres) will kill them off almost completely over about three years. But nettles are a legacy of the activity of our ancestors of generations ago. I guess that there is a big bank of seeds in the soil, ready to re-colonise.

It would be great if we could genetically modify nettles so that they could be conserved as a safe winter feed for cattle and sheep.
you mean like cutting, binding tight .. like treehay...
no modification needed.
 

exmoor dave

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I was always told nettles are a sign of high fertility, and you do tend to see them in field boundaries where grass clippings have been left.

Thrust as you say is pretty cheap on a per litre basis compared to grazon, just get's expensive if you are having to buy lots of cans to go putting in a boom sprayer. Fortunately, you can reduce the rate and then add other products to it to bring the cost per acre under control. Used to be wicked with cimarron in the tank with it.


A sign of high nitrates apparently,
I read them referred to as one natures release valves for nitrates.


Looking around here, the nettles are definitely located in historic stock camps and around trees.
Also a field that was used a couple decades ago for outdoor pigs, is blanketed in a thin scattering of nettles
 

Agrivator

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you mean like cutting, binding tight .. like treehay...
no modification needed.

Is there a guide anywhere as to safe levels of feeding? Cattle love wilted nettels, but what problems might occur with feeding high levels over a long period in terms of mineral imbalances, excess oxalates or nitrates etc?

And you'd have to wear gloves.
 

shearerlad

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Livestock Farmer
Hijacking the thread a wee bit.
Got some serious beds of nettles in fields ear marked for either new grass, arable silage or brassica forage. There is also creeping and spear thistle, docks……..
Thinking about spraying with headland polo at 3.5 l per ha (tff marketplace £68 for 10l) then do the usual burn off with glyphosate.
What’s the suggested timeline for that?
 
Hijacking the thread a wee bit.
Got some serious beds of nettles in fields ear marked for either new grass, arable silage or brassica forage. There is also creeping and spear thistle, docks……..
Thinking about spraying with headland polo at 3.5 l per ha (tff marketplace £68 for 10l) then do the usual burn off with glyphosate.
What’s the suggested timeline for that?

What are you trying to achieve? You want to clean up the ley now and use it this year and then spray off later in the autumn or you want to destroy it all now?

If you want to destroy all that now you can use a glyphosate product called kyleo but observe the intervals after spraying and drilling the next crop- especially brassicas.

Headland Polo on weeds like those will make them sick but don't expect magic- it's pretty modest doses of MCPA and 2,4D in in- I used to use polo on new leys for tiny weeds. You really want to use Pastor in that situation I would suggest- it will sort nettles, docks and thistles. If we are talking a knapsack just use grazon as it will do them all.
 

shearerlad

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Livestock Farmer
What are you trying to achieve? You want to clean up the ley now and use it this year and then spray off later in the autumn or you want to destroy it all now?

If you want to destroy all that now you can use a glyphosate product called kyleo but observe the intervals after spraying and drilling the next crop- especially brassicas.

Headland Polo on weeds like those will make them sick but don't expect magic- it's pretty modest doses of MCPA and 2,4D in in- I used to use polo on new leys for tiny weeds. You really want to use Pastor in that situation I would suggest- it will sort nettles, docks and thistles. If we are talking a knapsack just use grazon as it will do them all.
I’m basically wanting to clean it up so that I can sow a crop in the next 4 weeks.
Got a 10 acre field thst was sown in grass after forage rape/stubble turnip mix. Glyphosate didn’t kill the nettles so when the field was cultivated the nettles were spread all over the field. Fantastic grass abs clover but nettles everywhere.
 
I’m basically wanting to clean it up so that I can sow a crop in the next 4 weeks.
Got a 10 acre field thst was sown in grass after forage rape/stubble turnip mix. Glyphosate didn’t kill the nettles so when the field was cultivated the nettles were spread all over the field. Fantastic grass abs clover but nettles everywhere.

I would use kyleo then, at or near the maximum dose and with an appropriate adjuvant. You must leave it 21 days for all perennial weeds to die off properly. You need to leave a 28 day window between spraying and drilling the next crop if it is a brassica anyway to ensure the 2,4D doesn't hurt your emerging crop.
 

neilo

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Montgomeryshire
The Kyleo doesn't have a withdrawal time before planting clover for some reason, which I would imagine would be effected by residual 2-4D. :scratchead:

Given the global problems with glyphosate availability, can you even get Kyleo currently?

I agree that it's effective on grass with nettles in (at a cost). I have a similar field to spray out shortly, which I am thinking I will have to spend a good few hours spot spraying first, before glyphosate. :(
 
The Kyleo doesn't have a withdrawal time before planting clover for some reason, which I would imagine would be effected by residual 2-4D. :scratchead:

Given the global problems with glyphosate availability, can you even get Kyleo currently?

I agree that it's effective on grass with nettles in (at a cost). I have a similar field to spray out shortly, which I am thinking I will have to spend a good few hours spot spraying first, before glyphosate. :(

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I also note it says do not apply manure, lime or anything to the 'crop' until at least 5 days after spraying. As I said, the label recommendations are to leave the sprayed sward alone for 21 days and leave a 28 day interval for mustard or OSR (brassicas).
 

exmoor dave

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exmoor, uk
@ollie989898 I've got a new ley just gone in, there is a blanket of fat hen showing on part of it, is MCPA the spray to use?

Unfortunately a rather pricey mix with lots of white clover + chicory, plaintain and red clover, which I'm sure will be wiped out with the fat hen 🤦‍♂️
 

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